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10:53:03 AM DavidJPeterson: Hello!
10:53:18 AM cedh: hello!
10:53:36 AM DavidJPeterson: I'm going to install a new version of my IRC client. I'll be right back. Hooray!
The topic for #lcs is: Language Creation Society (conlang.org) chat - see http://conlang.org/about-the-lcs/officers-directors/ if you want to join the Advisory Committee (10:54:32 AM)
Topic for #lcs set by saizai!~saizai@unaffiliated/saizai at 22:54:37 on 01/26/14 (10:54:32 AM)
328: conlang.org (10:54:32 AM)
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10:54:38 AM DavidJPeterson: And I'm back!
10:54:54 AM DavidJPeterson: I'll be in charge of fielding and relaying questions for IRC for the time being.
10:55:31 AM DavidJPeterson: In the meantime, who's on from where?
10:55:36 AM DavidJPeterson: I.e. what part of the world.
10:55:42 AM Fenhl: right behind you
10:56:17 AM DavidJPeterson: See how I should brushed the hair on the back of my head with my hand? I did that for you.
10:58:43 AM KippLeKipp: someone tell the audio guys to fix the stream audio, it's on the left side only
10:58:55 AM KippLeKipp: oh, and I'm from the Philippines!
osswix [~androirc@82-69-86-217.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] entered the room. (10:58:56 AM)
10:59:12 AM DavidJPeterson: Got it. I'll ping someone.
11:00:04 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: Got it, looking into i
11:00:42 AM osswix: hello, osswix (wilco jacobs), from the lcc here.
11:00:53 AM KippLeKipp: ayyy ossy
11:00:56 AM DavidJPeterson: Hello!
11:01:16 AM DavidJPeterson: brb
salpfish [~textual@c-98-207-171-10.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] entered the room. (11:01:33 AM)
Manofzelego [4b66c2a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.75.102.194.161] entered the room. (11:01:35 AM)
11:01:39 AM osswix: hey, kip, you here. and salph.
11:01:43 AM KippLeKipp: hai
11:01:43 AM salpfish: allo
11:01:49 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: David: call Sai's attention to the stereo audio problem
11:01:51 AM Manofzelego: Allo!
IJzeren_Jan [57d2147a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.210.20.122] entered the room. (11:01:51 AM)
11:02:42 AM osswix: a lot of the /r/conlangs here it seems.
11:02:47 AM KippLeKipp: oh dear the audio in the stream is doing some funky looping about
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osswix [~androirc@82-69-86-217.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] entered the room. (11:03:02 AM)
11:03:23 AM Manofzelego: wow
LCSguest [~LCSguest@cpe-70-112-94-197.austin.res.rr.com] entered the room. (11:03:31 AM)
11:03:38 AM salpfish:  call Sai's attention to the call Sai's attention to the funky looping about problem funky looping about problem
11:03:47 AM KippLeKipp: lel
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11:04:02 AM KippLeKipp: ok loooks like it got fixed
osswix [~androirc@82-69-86-217.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] entered the room. (11:04:06 AM)
11:04:19 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: sai> is it synced?
11:04:28 AM salpfish: it's not synced
11:04:34 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: feh
11:04:35 AM osswix: salph, they look like they're working on it.
11:04:54 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: what is the symptom?
fiftyfive [89938510@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.147.133.16] entered the room. (11:05:00 AM)
11:05:09 AM Manofzelego: that could be internet issues
11:05:09 AM fiftyfive: Hey!
11:05:15 AM KippLeKipp: hallo
11:05:18 AM salpfish: audio is ahead of video
11:05:21 AM salpfish: lemme refresh though
11:05:28 AM KippLeKipp: audio just shifted to the right side
11:05:32 AM salpfish: oh yeah same
11:05:34 AM Manofzelego: and now the audio is in the right year only
11:05:36 AM fiftyfive: For me, too
11:06:00 AM salpfish: now it's slightly to the left
11:06:01 AM fiftyfive: there we go
11:06:03 AM salpfish: oh, midlle now
11:06:06 AM osswix: just happened in the room too
11:06:07 AM Manofzelego: yup
11:06:12 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: I think the audio is genuinely messed up
11:06:18 AM fiftyfive: How is it, osswix?
11:06:20 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: but will try to fix hortly
11:06:22 AM salpfish: oh right, osswix, you're there live
11:06:24 AM salpfish: o
11:06:34 AM KippLeKipp: ohp, left again
11:06:35 AM Manofzelego: annnd left ear again 
11:06:45 AM salpfish: also no vid
11:06:45 AM fiftyfive: and Bur is too, but I don't think he's on the IRC
11:06:47 AM KippLeKipp: also video is blank
11:06:58 AM salpfish: > didn't get in a video
11:07:03 AM salpfish: yuuuup
11:07:10 AM salpfish: oh no there we go, it's up
11:07:21 AM osswix: the audio was changing boxes just.
11:08:10 AM KippLeKipp: thank goodness it's in the UK, if it was in the US I would never be able to see it because >asian timezones
11:08:17 AM KippLeKipp: ^_^
11:08:43 AM fiftyfive: Yeah, it's getting dark where I am though
11:08:49 AM KippLeKipp: where are ya
11:08:55 AM fiftyfive: AUS
11:08:59 AM KippLeKipp: PHL here
11:08:59 AM salpfish: i'm in california
11:09:01 AM salpfish: 3 a.m.
11:09:09 AM KippLeKipp: 6:09 PM
11:09:13 AM fiftyfive: 20:09 here
11:09:19 AM osswix: salph, why?
11:09:26 AM Manofzelego: 5am here 
11:09:34 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: how's audio now?
Linguifex [~Linguifex@72-160-155-201.dyn.centurytel.net] entered the room. (11:09:37 AM)
11:09:42 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: should be synced
11:09:44 AM fiftyfive: What time is it in the UK?
11:09:44 AM KippLeKipp: still on the left
11:09:45 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: but left only for some reason tbd
11:09:50 AM KippLeKipp: but it seems synced
11:09:53 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: good
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11:09:56 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: thanks
sheesania [95ffc482@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.255.196.130] entered the room. (11:09:58 AM)
osswix [~androirc@82-69-86-217.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] entered the room. (11:10:05 AM)
11:10:38 AM salpfish: @osswix, why not? 
11:11:00 AM osswix: true.
11:11:09 AM fiftyfive: worth it?
11:11:16 AM osswix: i will stay here for the /r/conlang guys~
Hobomancar [18823ce2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.130.60.226] entered the room. (11:11:25 AM)
11:11:25 AM LCSguest: Woot!
11:11:31 AM Hobomancar: Hey all
11:11:36 AM Linguifex:  /r/conlang here
11:11:38 AM Manofzelego: go /r/conlangs! woot
11:11:42 AM DavidJPeterson: Okay, I'm back to field IRC questions.
11:11:43 AM salpfish: ayy hobo welcome 
11:11:45 AM KippLeKipp:  /r/conlange here
11:11:48 AM KippLeKipp: fo'sure
11:11:51 AM fiftyfive: >shameless [lug
11:11:57 AM Linguifex: David Peterson in the flesh!
11:11:58 AM fiftyfive: plug
11:11:58 AM Hobomancar: Oops it says hobomancar lol
11:12:12 AM DavidJPeterson: Have we got the audio problem fixed? Quick yes/no.
11:12:14 AM Hobomancar: Typo fail
11:12:17 AM salpfish: no
11:12:23 AM salpfish: still left ear only
11:12:24 AM Manofzelego: only in the left ear
11:12:30 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: still left only.  but looping's OK
11:12:30 AM fiftyfive: Its on the left still
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11:13:05 AM DavidJPeterson: Sai now knows about the audio issue. We're trying to fix it.
Hobomancat [18823ce2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.130.60.226] entered the room. (11:13:12 AM)
11:13:13 AM KippLeKipp: it's fixed
11:13:13 AM Manofzelego: there we go
11:13:16 AM salpfish: fixed yeah
11:13:20 AM Hobomancat: Now my name is correct
11:13:23 AM fiftyfive: Much better. Thanks!
11:13:34 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: sounds to me like we have stereo
11:13:35 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: confirm?
11:13:39 AM KippLeKipp: confirm
11:13:42 AM LCSguest: This is Gray Richardson
11:13:42 AM osswix: awesome, a talk in a conlang.
11:13:44 AM DavidJPeterson: Hooray!
11:13:49 AM LCSguest: Watching on Youtube
11:13:56 AM LCSguest: Looking Beautiful
11:13:59 AM salpfish: sov masterrace
11:14:00 AM LCSguest: Sounding good too
11:14:00 AM KippLeKipp: I love SOV langs ^_^
11:14:08 AM Hobomancat: La'i!
11:14:08 AM DavidJPeterson: Please let us know if you can't hear Jim.
11:14:12 AM fiftyfive: All of my langs so far have been SOV
11:14:18 AM KippLeKipp: It's a bit softer but audible
11:14:19 AM Hobomancat: La'i aia sait sait sait!
11:14:22 AM Hobomancat: lol
11:14:30 AM fiftyfive: woah
11:14:31 AM KippLeKipp: Kayai everybody ^_^
11:14:32 AM salpfish: what's that sound in IPA?
11:14:42 AM KippLeKipp: xD
11:14:42 AM Hobomancat: the '?
11:14:50 AM Linguifex: Embarrassing question, but does anyone have a link to the stream?
11:14:50 AM Hobomancat: oh nvm
11:14:54 AM salpfish: no, the stream bwooop
11:14:55 AM salpfish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbHkh_2RJjA
11:14:58 AM KippLeKipp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbHkh_2RJjA
11:15:04 AM Linguifex: Thanks salp and Kipp
11:15:15 AM KippLeKipp: you're welcome
kaleissin [~kaleissin@82-69-86-217.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] entered the room. (11:15:27 AM)
11:15:28 AM Hobomancat: I need dual monitors to view the stream and the irc at the same time
11:15:40 AM salpfish: i'm just tabbing back and forth
11:15:40 AM Linguifex: I'm hearing stereo
11:15:45 AM Hobomancat: La'i kaleeissin
11:16:01 AM fiftyfive: I'm just split-screening. Working pretty well
11:16:12 AM KippLeKipp: I just have it in two halves of the screen like so: http://gyazo.com/8058bc062a9104b9d99be0106526ca6e
11:16:33 AM kaleissin: sažu
11:16:34 AM osswix: kip, i have my screen in a screen ;p
11:16:39 AM KippLeKipp: lel
11:16:51 AM Manofzelego: I have two chats up on my other monitor, so many things xp
11:17:12 AM salpfish: osswix can you do a little dance or something so we can see where you are?
11:17:13 AM salpfish: 
11:17:15 AM KippLeKipp: I like the sound of his lang
11:17:20 AM Linguifex: I don't know Cherokee but Itlani reminds me of it
11:17:20 AM Linguifex: Yeah
11:17:21 AM salpfish: don't actually tho
11:17:22 AM fiftyfive: Same
11:17:23 AM Linguifex: It's very melodic
11:17:35 AM Hobomancat: It sounds like Navao
guest266 [~username@dab-ntm1-h-31-3.dab.02.net] entered the room. (11:17:35 AM)
11:17:37 AM Hobomancat: *navajo
11:17:43 AM Linguifex: They're bantering in Itlani? That's great
11:17:44 AM salpfish: diné*
11:17:51 AM Hobomancat: With the lateral fricative and the ejectives
11:17:53 AM kaleissin: yeah!
11:18:07 AM Manofzelego: oh dear the flag!
11:18:14 AM Linguifex: What flag?
11:18:22 AM fiftyfive: The conlang flag
11:18:22 AM osswix: is the leafelet somewhere in the internet?
11:18:27 AM Manofzelego: in the back, it fell sligtly
11:18:28 AM fiftyfive: It's falling
11:18:30 AM Hobomancat: its only halfway out
11:18:34 AM salpfish: yeah, in the bg
11:18:39 AM Linguifex: Oh, I see it now
11:18:44 AM guest266: teat
11:18:51 AM guest266: *test
guest266 is now known as bur_sangjun (11:18:51 AM)
11:18:55 AM KippLeKipp: bur
11:18:55 AM KippLeKipp: ayy
11:19:03 AM fiftyfive: lmao
11:19:04 AM bur_sangjun: hello everyone, salp, 55
11:19:05 AM Hobomancat: hey Bur Sangjun!
11:19:07 AM Linguifex: bur!
bur_sangjun is now known as bur (11:19:09 AM)
BoneHead777 [~androirc@82-69-86-217.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] entered the room. (11:19:10 AM)
11:19:11 AM fiftyfive: Hey!
11:19:15 AM BoneHead777: Hi
11:19:19 AM bur: I'm in the audience
11:19:20 AM salpfish: oh so apparently i don't count as "everyone"
11:19:21 AM osswix: ah bur has entered 
11:19:23 AM fiftyfive: BoneHead's here too
11:19:24 AM salpfish: ohay sash
11:19:26 AM Hobomancat: lucky
11:19:28 AM salpfish: 
11:19:32 AM osswix: so has sasha.
11:19:44 AM KippLeKipp: and as usual the secret illuminati of /r/conlangs takes everything over again xD
11:19:47 AM salpfish: sassha vi mus hanu al viossa hér ima
11:19:50 AM BoneHead777: this lecture is amazing, but hard to follow
11:19:54 AM osswix: lot of /r/conlanfs here.
11:19:56 AM Linguifex: Or in this case, the secret Itlani
11:20:01 AM Linguifex: Yes, I'm an /r/conlang
11:20:01 AM BoneHead777: ak salpo, mirai
11:20:08 AM fiftyfive: Is that Viossa?
11:20:13 AM salpfish: akkurat
11:20:13 AM BoneHead777: yea
11:20:23 AM bur: bráaaa
11:20:34 AM KippLeKipp: bur your encoding is going nuts
11:20:42 AM salpfish: looks fine to me
11:20:44 AM Linguifex: I can see it fine
11:20:51 AM bur: hmm?
11:20:51 AM Linguifex: Kipp, try /charset irc
11:20:56 AM salpfish: br(a-acute)aaa
11:21:17 AM KippLeKipp: ah yes
11:21:31 AM KippLeKipp: it was doing the old capital a with tilde for me
11:21:34 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: for anything encoding, please mention LCC6-Broadcaster
11:21:39 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: so it gets flagged
11:21:41 AM KippLeKipp: kay
iuean [56a8a581@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.168.165.129] entered the room. (11:21:43 AM)
11:21:47 AM Linguifex: Whoa, are these guys fluent in Itlani? Or at least the translator?
11:21:49 AM BoneHead777: ja ieuan!
11:21:51 AM KippLeKipp: yaiyun
11:21:52 AM KippLeKipp: ayyy
11:21:54 AM fiftyfive: Yeah
11:21:55 AM salpfish: yayayan
11:21:57 AM Manofzelego: I can't tell if the video quality is lowish, or if it's out of focus
11:21:57 AM BoneHead777: yea, they are
11:21:58 AM iuean: ya
11:21:58 AM DavidJPeterson: They both are.
11:22:01 AM KippLeKipp: the /r/conlangs invasion begins!
sheesania_ [b941ff14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.65.255.20] entered the room. (11:22:04 AM)
11:22:12 AM osswix: guys, should i put my notebook, including a small diary on the artifacts table?
11:22:15 AM Linguifex: It's already here
11:22:18 AM fiftyfive: Kipp what's happening send help
11:22:23 AM salpfish: and yeah, it's not altogether crazy, sascha and i are both fluent in viossa
11:22:24 AM fiftyfive: Yeah!
11:22:25 AM bur: jeh chi par/arthur/ chiwl~ I want my speaking partner here like them
11:22:29 AM salpfish: we could definitely do something similar
11:22:40 AM Hobomancat: A hail to the /r/conlang invasion!
11:22:44 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: how visible are the speakers?
11:22:45 AM KippLeKipp: viossa is one of the coolest things I've seen
11:22:45 AM DavidJPeterson: osswix: Yes.
11:22:49 AM fiftyfive: WHAT AM I MISSING
11:22:50 AM Linguifex: LCC6-Broadcaster: Kind of blurry
11:22:52 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: it looks out of focus from here
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11:22:55 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: yeah 
11:22:56 AM salpfish: they're blobs yeah
11:22:59 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: feh
11:23:02 AM Linguifex: The guy in the blue shirt is out of the spotlight a bit
11:23:03 AM BoneHead777: I'd love to hold a talk about viossa some day
11:23:10 AM bur: and me and Arthur can talk relatively fluently to each other on Vahn
11:23:13 AM osswix: @david i shall, in that case.
11:23:16 AM BoneHead777: but more viossadjin need to be there
11:23:21 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: I've turned up the stage lights, lmk if that helped
11:23:23 AM Linguifex: Does next year's LCC have a city/venue yet?
11:23:26 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: (there's about 30s delay)
11:23:29 AM Hobomancat: no!
11:23:35 AM Hobomancat: rip
11:23:40 AM KippLeKipp: the only conlang I'm rather interested in learning is Tardalli tbh, and arthy is still making documentation for that 
11:23:40 AM DavidJPeterson: LCCs are biennial, and no, not yet.
11:23:45 AM iuean: I say it loads but I need to get back into Viossa
11:23:46 AM Linguifex: A little
11:23:58 AM salpfish: the best way to get back into viossa is to get back into viossa
11:24:09 AM bur: get on the documentary, viossa is an amazing project (naturally evolving conlang for those who don't know)
11:24:14 AM KippLeKipp: I will be there! one day! I will cross mountains and seas to make phonemes in front of like minded conlangers!
11:24:45 AM iuean: I'd love to see a talk on Vahn
11:24:50 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: also, stereo good now?
11:24:55 AM fiftyfive: Yep
11:24:57 AM osswix: Vahn'd do good.
11:25:03 AM iuean: Stereo is good
11:25:05 AM bur: haha. maybe if me and Arthur can get in the same place
11:25:07 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: thanks
11:25:12 AM Linguifex: Stereo seems okay.
11:25:16 AM bur: or someone else learns it
11:25:16 AM salpfish: just for explains, viossa is a lang a group of /r/conlangs members developed entirely by speaking different natlangs and trying to make themselves understood pidgin-style
11:25:24 AM osswix: stupid me for not learning it. (vahn)
11:25:41 AM fiftyfive: I want to see some of jayelinda's conlangs too, they're pretty artistic
11:25:56 AM bur: haha, you're with me in the flesh oss, start learning!
11:25:57 AM Manofzelego: no buffer why 
11:25:57 AM iuean: I gotta go out in 15 minutes 
11:26:09 AM KippLeKipp: What are the main ingredients to viossa stew again? Norwegian, Swiss German, German, Japanese and a hint of Albanian right?
11:26:17 AM iuean: It's annoying cause I'd have liked to see the 2pm talk
11:26:21 AM Hobomancat: Many indo-europian then
11:26:22 AM salpfish: not just a hint, it's quite a bit
11:26:25 AM BoneHead777: not a lot of standard german
11:26:27 AM salpfish: more russian as well
11:26:32 AM Hobomancat: *mainly
11:26:35 AM KippLeKipp: mhmm
11:26:36 AM DavidJPeterson: All the talks will eventually be on YouTube.
11:26:42 AM KippLeKipp: noice
11:26:42 AM BoneHead777: also finnish
11:26:49 AM iuean: Okay, cheers
11:26:50 AM Hobomancat: nice
11:26:57 AM salpfish: also i've mostly stopped using japanese in favor of ainu
11:27:14 AM Hobomancat: Nei iuean!
11:27:19 AM DavidJPeterson: Hey IJzeren_Jan! ~
11:27:29 AM iuean: I think I managed to get one Spanish word it but that's in
11:27:34 AM KippLeKipp: lel
11:27:42 AM Hobomancat: Do you speak ainu salpfish?
11:27:42 AM osswix: who's ijzerenjan, sounds like dutch.
11:27:57 AM Manofzelego: annd goodbye falg
11:27:57 AM osswix: yay bluescreen.
11:28:02 AM salpfish: i tried learning it, it's what's in my skype flavor text
11:28:03 AM DavidJPeterson: Creator of Wenedyk, Slovianski, etc.
11:28:06 AM Manofzelego: *flag
11:28:07 AM IJzeren_Jan: Whoops, there goes the flag!
11:28:08 AM KippLeKipp: the flag fell off or something
11:28:09 AM salpfish: but no i don't speak it by any means 
11:28:11 AM DavidJPeterson: http://steen.free.fr/
guest266 [~username@dab-glb1-h-8-4.dab.02.net] entered the room. (11:28:15 AM)
11:28:21 AM osswix: noo the flag
11:28:22 AM IJzeren_Jan: My name is Jan van Steenbergen.
11:28:22 AM Hobomancat: Where did you find resources?
11:28:32 AM IJzeren_Jan: Hi David! 
11:28:33 AM guest266: i think I'm reconnected now
11:28:43 AM salpfish: there's an amazing dictionary filled with example sentences, glosses, and audio
11:28:44 AM salpfish: here
11:28:45 AM osswix: jan, are you dutch?
11:28:46 AM DavidJPeterson: I heard you were sick, IJzeren_Jan.  It's too bad you couldn't be here.
11:29:02 AM kaleissin: truly
11:29:02 AM Hobomancat: He is
11:29:07 AM IJzeren_Jan: Yeah, today it's slightly better though.
11:29:09 AM salpfish: http://lah.soas.ac.uk/projects/ainu/intro.html
11:29:12 AM fiftyfive: one sec be right back
11:29:14 AM Hobomancat: cool thanks
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11:29:17 AM salpfish: there's also a unilang course
11:29:22 AM IJzeren_Jan: BTW I'm indeed Dutch, osswix.
11:29:29 AM osswix: cool, there are more dutch conlangers than i realized.
11:29:29 AM salpfish: http://www.unilang.org/course.php?res=58
fiftyfive [~fiftyfive@CPE-137-147-133-16.lnse7.win.bigpond.net.au] entered the room. (11:29:33 AM)
11:29:39 AM DavidJPeterson: There are a TON of Dutch conlangers.
11:29:55 AM guest266: so you, as I was saying, you viossa people should try and get in the documentary
11:29:55 AM IJzeren_Jan: Yeah, there are. 
11:29:57 AM BoneHead777: rip fleg
11:30:06 AM fiftyfive: alright, back
11:30:09 AM IJzeren_Jan: Although I think the next LCC should be somewhere in Poland or Czech Republic.
11:30:11 AM salpfish: how exactly does one get in?
11:30:11 AM osswix: byebye flag
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guest266 is now known as bur (11:30:14 AM)
11:30:40 AM bur: ask David?
11:30:43 AM DavidJPeterson: salpfish: Go to http://conlangingfilm.com/ and check the contact info.
11:30:51 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: found the issue w/ the left channel. fixed
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11:30:52 AM DavidJPeterson: That goes for everyone, btw.
11:31:00 AM Linguifex: Did the video just drop out for anybody else or was it just my computer acting up?
11:31:02 AM salpfish: awesome, thank
11:31:08 AM DavidJPeterson: If you're a conlanger, that's what we want to see in the film.
11:31:08 AM IJzeren_Jan: Looks promising, that film. Is there anything I can do?
11:31:10 AM Hobomancat: It's been buffering
11:31:15 AM BoneHead777: salp, viossa for the film?
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11:31:25 AM salpfish: yeah
11:31:29 AM salpfish: i think we should go for it
11:31:34 AM BoneHead777: hell yea
11:31:36 AM KippLeKipp: good luck y'all ^_^
11:31:38 AM DavidJPeterson: IJzeren_Jan: Trying to convince Britton to go to the Netherlands to film. We'll see.
11:31:45 AM fiftyfive: ^
11:31:53 AM Linguifex: Where is the contact info?
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11:31:56 AM Linguifex: Oh wait
11:32:00 AM Linguifex: Sorry, missed the obvious
11:32:04 AM bur: oss learn Vahn overnight tonight 
11:32:13 AM IJzeren_Jan: Ah, there's not much to film here in the Netherlands, I'm afraid.
11:32:23 AM osswix: pfft, impossibru to learn that much bur.
11:32:38 AM DavidJPeterson: There are conlangers, IJzeren_Jan!
11:32:41 AM fiftyfive: Learn how to say 'hello' or something
11:32:48 AM KippLeKipp: the only thing I am fluent in with my conlang is rodoaz swearing, I'm already starting to replace certain expletives with rodoaz ones xD
11:32:57 AM IJzeren_Jan: Haha, yes David, I know. More than 10 years ago! 
11:33:25 AM Hobomancat: I really should go to bed.
11:33:26 AM BoneHead777: dok höre, viossadjin? alltid bruk mahhossa!
11:33:37 AM salpfish: altíd? altíd.
11:33:53 AM salpfish: nai pravdossa naitíd, vi mus wasu
11:34:10 AM BoneHead777: ka ting vi mirai hanasü per video f'mahhossa?
11:34:12 AM osswix: "why do viosa people always use mahhossa"?
11:34:33 AM salpfish: nai, du nai akkurat osswix 
11:34:42 AM bur: jarngi~ jehng rar chi varwn chi vahn chiwl
11:34:42 AM salpfish: nai shiru ka vi hanasu
11:34:45 AM KippLeKipp: is mahhossa what I think it is, or am I just being over suspicious
11:34:49 AM fiftyfive: what does akkurat mean? I see it everywhere
11:34:50 AM osswix: ok i am not accurate.
11:34:50 AM KippLeKipp: 
11:34:52 AM BoneHead777: can't tell
11:34:56 AM salpfish: akkurat imi akkurat
11:34:59 AM BoneHead777: akkurat is yes
11:35:08 AM BoneHead777: one of four words I'm allowed to tell you
11:35:09 AM salpfish: 
11:35:10 AM fiftyfive: ah right. Thanks!
11:35:16 AM fiftyfive: Which are those?
11:35:19 AM bur: 55, the point of viossa is you learn it through immersion
11:35:19 AM salpfish: yeah, we start newcomers off with four words
11:35:26 AM KippLeKipp: does mahhossa has anything to do with a certain maohhhan by any chance, or am I just being paranoid
11:35:29 AM KippLeKipp: xD
11:35:30 AM BoneHead777: ak(k(u(rat))) - yes
11:35:34 AM BoneHead777: nai - no
11:35:37 AM BoneHead777: ka - what
11:35:45 AM Hobomancat: Is there a document for viossa?
11:35:45 AM salpfish: can neither confirm nor deny, kipp, because that would be cheating 
11:35:48 AM BoneHead777: fšto - understand
11:35:50 AM BoneHead777: nope
11:35:50 AM KippLeKipp: aww
11:35:56 AM osswix: viosa sounds fun, should learn.
11:36:00 AM salpfish: there is none, hobo, since there's no standard viossa
11:36:03 AM osswix: one day...
11:36:06 AM salpfish: everyone speaks their own dialect
11:36:08 AM Hobomancat: I want to learn it
11:36:09 AM fiftyfive: well, I know imi as well now, so, I mean, I'm practically a native speaker
11:36:24 AM Hobomancat: But I dont know when I can do skype chat
11:36:31 AM salpfish: i can add you into the viossa chat just for now
11:36:42 AM Hobomancat: okay
11:36:43 AM salpfish: and you can get swamped by messages until you're available
11:36:53 AM BoneHead777: mjetta ka sore nai brafšto imi f'imi
11:36:59 AM osswix: throw me in salph.
11:37:09 AM KippLeKipp: i speak a dialect which consists of saying "nai f?to" whenever someone speaks viossa to me
11:37:11 AM KippLeKipp: xD
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11:37:32 AM salpfish: that's everyone when they're starting out
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11:37:42 AM bur: I'm disconnecting now, but I can still read fROM saschas phone
11:37:44 AM Fenhl: where is viossa spoken?
11:37:49 AM KippLeKipp: over the internet
11:37:51 AM salpfish: viland
11:37:52 AM fiftyfive: bye
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11:37:54 AM BoneHead777: in a skype chat
11:38:04 AM BoneHead777: viland xD
11:38:13 AM Hobomancat: rip
11:38:15 AM Manofzelego: black screen?
11:38:18 AM fiftyfive: yep
11:38:20 AM Hobomancat: in peace
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11:38:25 AM Fenhl: oh, Skype 
11:38:25 AM KippLeKipp: black screen
11:38:29 AM LCSguest: I wonder what Wittgenstein would think of this talk?
11:38:35 AM KippLeKipp: did somebody spill con-coffee on the concamera
11:38:44 AM salpfish: if anyone on this channel happens to be interested, feel free to add me (salpfish) on skype
11:38:46 AM fiftyfive: "con-coffee" XD
11:38:47 AM KippLeKipp: because the convideo is not condisplaying
11:38:53 AM osswix: lol
11:38:53 AM KippLeKipp: brb dinner
11:38:58 AM Linguifex: If you write about criminals in your conlang, are they con-cons?
11:39:04 AM fiftyfive: woahhhh
11:39:06 AM LCSguest: You tube went blank
11:39:08 AM osswix: confood* kip
11:39:11 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: back now, I hope?
11:39:13 AM fiftyfive: back
11:39:15 AM Manofzelego: yup
11:39:20 AM LCSguest: yes its back
11:39:22 AM Hobomancat: thanks
11:40:14 AM Manofzelego: lol who is that?
11:40:15 AM LCSguest: Video is fine now
11:40:16 AM fiftyfive: AHAHAHA person with the phone
11:40:33 AM salpfish: [11:07 PM] dr_wreckage: Not everything needs a con prefix.
11:40:33 AM BoneHead777: Mirai se apar plus fu ka sore hanasü
11:40:34 AM Hobomancat: the buffer game is strong
11:40:35 AM LCSguest: I wonder if there is much of a lag?
11:40:35 AM salpfish: [11:08 PM] Eᴠᴀɴ: see that's where you're conwrong
11:41:14 AM fiftyfive: that was impressive
11:41:23 AM kaleissin: fiftyfive, that was prolly me
11:41:31 AM fiftyfive: great job.
11:41:32 AM DavidJPeterson: If you have any questions for Jim or Tony, you can add your questions here. Just mention me so I see them.
11:41:34 AM LCSguest: So impressed with Tony for being fluent in another person's language!
11:41:51 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: oh, mention me in case of video problems
11:41:55 AM fiftyfive: How does one mention? WIth an @ symbol?
11:42:09 AM salpfish: think you just need to use their name
11:42:12 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: just by username
11:42:14 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: e.g. fiftyfive
11:42:21 AM fiftyfive: thanks
11:42:53 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: many IRC clients have tab completion for that
11:43:00 AM KippLeKipp: back from dinner
11:43:07 AM IJzeren_Jan: @DavidJPeterson: Is there any link between this chat box and the one on Youtube?
11:43:13 AM fiftyfive: that was quick KippLeKipp
11:43:18 AM osswix: well conback.
11:43:22 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: IJzeren_Jan: no, they're unrelated
11:43:26 AM KippLeKipp: tw mini slider burgers
11:43:32 AM KippLeKipp: also when i'm hyped I eat fast
11:43:33 AM LCSguest: <Gray> does not appear to be a link between you tube and the irc chat
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11:43:39 AM fiftyfive: never heard of it
11:43:39 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: DavidJPeterson: is anyone watching youtube comments?
11:43:45 AM IJzeren_Jan: But you follow both of them?\
11:43:47 AM LCSguest: yes
11:44:07 AM DavidJPeterson: IJzeren_Jan + LCC6-Broadcaster: There is no link between the two, but I am watching both.
11:44:15 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: cool.
11:44:18 AM IJzeren_Jan: You busy bee!
11:44:19 AM KippLeKipp: noice
11:44:36 AM iuean: I'm off guys
11:44:44 AM Manofzelego: cya
11:44:46 AM fiftyfive: Bye!
11:44:49 AM KippLeKipp: brb searching room frantically for describing morphosyntax and the dothraki guide
11:45:16 AM iuean: Hwyl fawr!
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11:46:06 AM salpfish: anki masterrace
11:46:15 AM KippLeKipp: everyone uses anki 
11:46:18 AM osswix: haha
11:46:29 AM osswix: i actually have it, but i tend to use quizlet.
11:46:32 AM salpfish: you'd be surprised, kipp
11:47:50 AM Manofzelego: Black screen?
11:47:50 AM osswix: "englis... your native language."
11:48:04 AM fiftyfive: Had that too
11:50:23 AM osswix: *remains silent.*
11:50:55 AM KippLeKipp: *silently fangirls all over the entire confrence*
11:51:06 AM KippLeKipp: hyyype
11:51:48 AM fiftyfive: bit loud
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11:52:10 AM KippLeKipp: i can just imagine the appendix is twice the size of the book itself 
11:52:35 AM DavidJPeterson: Book is Circle of the Lantern
11:52:37 AM DavidJPeterson: Questions are now.
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11:52:56 AM KippLeKipp: I'll pick it up if I spot it on Philippine bookshelves :3
11:54:40 AM fiftyfive: DavidJPeterson, [for Tony], what was the hardest part of learning the conlang?
11:55:07 AM DavidJPeterson: I'll see if I can get it in; if not, I'll ask him later and report back.
11:55:40 AM fiftyfive: Thanks DavidJPeterson
11:55:49 AM osswix: should we have random people ask the questions from the chat?
11:55:51 AM DavidJPeterson: I'm going to guess I'm not going to get it in as we're already at 11:55 here. 
11:56:40 AM fiftyfive: That's alright. Thanks!
11:56:58 AM osswix: *should try putting notebook on table soon.*
11:57:07 AM Fenhl: it's being answered now
11:57:13 AM DavidJPeterson: osswix: Wait for lunch. Just one more talk till then.
11:57:23 AM osswix: allright.
11:57:34 AM Hobomancat: What about sov?
11:57:42 AM Hobomancat: Most common word order?
11:57:53 AM KippLeKipp: oh man
11:57:57 AM KippLeKipp: that was a nice one xD
11:58:03 AM Hobomancat: lol
11:58:04 AM fiftyfive: i feel famous, actually
11:58:09 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: encoder crashed.
11:58:14 AM KippLeKipp: oop a doop
11:58:16 AM osswix: aiai
11:58:25 AM osswix: fixable?
11:58:30 AM DavidJPeterson: Trying to fix it.
11:58:36 AM Hobomancat: rip in peace stream
11:58:43 AM DavidJPeterson: Until then, I will entertain you by typing the letter F in various ways.
11:58:46 AM fiftyfive: it will be remembered
11:58:46 AM DavidJPeterson: f
11:58:49 AM DavidJPeterson: F
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11:58:52 AM DavidJPeterson: ƒ
11:58:52 AM kaleissin: Setup takes time anyway
11:58:58 AM KippLeKipp: let me draw a Rodoaz F
11:58:58 AM DavidJPeterson: fl
11:59:02 AM fiftyfive: wow
11:59:08 AM Nikoniko: Jaa, salpnen, ka slucha ima ?
11:59:14 AM DavidJPeterson: fi
11:59:19 AM fiftyfive: its muted for me
11:59:24 AM Manofzelego: yup
11:59:26 AM Hobomancat: no audii
11:59:30 AM Hobomancat: audio
11:59:39 AM LCC6-Broadcaster: (no-one's speaking at the moment)
11:59:52 AM IJzeren_Jan: Sound's gone!
11:59:57 AM salpfish: it's completely silent
12:00:05 PM salpfish: not even any background noise
12:00:21 PM fiftyfive: I wonder where Bur and osswix are
12:00:26 PM KippLeKipp: http://gyazo.com/25613606fe23c13377ddbb311b799092 rodoaz f, the top one is the <f> glyph itself and the bottom one is how it would be written in an actual paragraph
12:00:27 PM DavidJPeterson: We are still trying to fix it.
12:00:48 PM KippLeKipp: don't mind the gaps, the font is doing some weird kerning, need to tweak a little
12:00:50 PM fiftyfive: I really like your script, KippLeKipp
12:00:54 PM KippLeKipp: thanks ^_^
12:01:00 PM fiftyfive: Stream ended
12:01:11 PM LCSguest: <Gray> I'm excited about this talk. I got to participate in Bettina's study.
12:01:22 PM Hobomancat: It looks kind of like n'ko
12:01:34 PM DavidJPeterson: LCSguest: You should give yourself a unique name. 
12:01:43 PM fiftyfive: DavidJPeterson, it looks like the stream has ended for me
12:01:45 PM DavidJPeterson: And hey, we're trying to fix the flag!
12:01:46 PM LCSguest: HOw does one do that?
12:01:55 PM osswix: i, bur, sasha, and dan are in the back
12:01:55 PM LCSguest: give oneself a unique name
12:01:59 PM DavidJPeterson: I believe /nick [INSERT YOUR NAME HERE]
12:02:01 PM Nikoniko: It looks like Elian
12:02:01 PM KippLeKipp: raise the flag!
12:02:08 PM DavidJPeterson: We're still trying to fix the stream.
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12:02:38 PM kaleissin: woohoo!
12:02:38 PM GrayRichardson: Ta Da!
12:02:43 PM KippLeKipp: I always thought the conlang anthem would just be the langauge/national anthems of thousands of conlangs and concountries overlaid on top of each other
12:02:51 PM osswix: duktape to the rescue
12:02:52 PM KippLeKipp: and it would be an inaudible mess xD
12:02:56 PM fiftyfive: Pardon my ignorance, but who's Sascha? I may know him on Reddit, but not IRL.
12:03:00 PM Manofzelego: that would be a cacophony though
12:03:12 PM KippLeKipp: xactly
12:03:14 PM KippLeKipp: 
12:03:14 PM osswix: hes bonehead.
12:03:22 PM GrayRichardson: Irony of ironies that a conference about language is having problems with sound.
12:03:23 PM fiftyfive: Oh, ok. Thanks!
12:03:27 PM KippLeKipp: lel
12:03:33 PM DavidJPeterson: Sound? Thought it was video, too.
12:03:41 PM Manofzelego: no sound still
12:03:42 PM KippLeKipp: video is fine now
12:03:43 PM fiftyfive: It is
12:03:52 PM IJzeren_Jan: There's video, but no sound yet.
12:03:52 PM fiftyfive: wait
12:03:54 PM fiftyfive: never mind
12:04:10 PM DavidJPeterson: Ah, I see.
12:04:12 PM KippLeKipp: vid is fine, sound is vanished
12:04:25 PM Hobomancat: I'm getting way too tired
12:04:33 PM fiftyfive: KippLeKipp, THE FLAG HAS BEEN RAISED
12:04:48 PM KippLeKipp: [anthem plays]
12:04:48 PM osswix: whenever difficulties, back to catvideos!
12:04:52 PM KippLeKipp: [everybody goes deaf]
12:04:52 PM DavidJPeterson: In the meantime, I offer you David Bowie's "Sound and Vision": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoDamvrfUbQ
12:04:58 PM kaleissin: So the problem is no sound right now?
12:05:01 PM GrayRichardson: heh
12:05:04 PM Manofzelego: also the spotlights are washing out the projector
12:05:10 PM Hobomancat: yay
12:05:12 PM fiftyfive: [55 walks around deafened[
12:05:15 PM fiftyfive: *]
12:05:39 PM fiftyfive: sound is back
12:05:42 PM fiftyfive: video is gone
12:05:43 PM salpfish: sound's on again
12:05:43 PM KippLeKipp: I heard somebody go "wat"
12:05:48 PM GrayRichardson: I hear something
12:05:48 PM KippLeKipp: oh sound is back
12:05:52 PM osswix: haha
12:05:58 PM fiftyfive: video is back. no sound
12:05:59 PM Manofzelego: looks good now 
12:06:13 PM fiftyfive: never mind. just my bad internet connection
12:06:15 PM osswix: it might just've been silent.
12:06:50 PM DavidJPeterson: Think we might be ready to get going again.
12:06:52 PM KippLeKipp: conlunch
12:06:57 PM KippLeKipp: with confood
12:06:59 PM KippLeKipp: at a contable
12:07:00 PM fiftyfive: Yep, seems to be working.
12:07:08 PM fiftyfive: in the conUK
12:07:09 PM kaleissin: Woohoooo!
12:07:28 PM GrayRichardson: Woot!
12:07:31 PM GrayRichardson: http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/10/02/like-kipling/
12:07:34 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: so, we're going ahead, but we won't be able to insert the slides into the video stream
12:07:46 PM osswix: worlt waide interwebz
12:08:14 PM KippLeKipp: GrayRichardson : such a wonderful pun
12:08:31 PM fiftyfive: actually Kipp where is your name from?
12:08:53 PM osswix: it'd be dutch
12:08:58 PM osswix: chicken 
12:09:03 PM KippLeKipp: mudkips, i'm one of those people who picked up a username early in life and it just stuck :v
12:09:09 PM fiftyfive: hahaha
12:09:10 PM KippLeKipp: eh I'm still a pokemon fan
12:09:10 PM GrayRichardson: As a language geek I practically think in puns
12:09:16 PM KippLeKipp: lel
12:10:04 PM KippLeKipp: *con-tea or con-coffee
12:10:16 PM fiftyfive: conKippLeKipp
12:10:22 PM KippLeKipp: ^_^
12:10:29 PM GrayRichardson: You could have a confab
12:10:30 PM osswix: conkipp stop con~con everyconthing.
12:10:37 PM osswix: 
12:10:42 PM fiftyfive: ...conosswix
12:11:05 PM GrayRichardson: he is concerned
12:11:13 PM osswix: ah, it's gettin' dark.
12:11:22 PM KippLeKipp: say what, it's getting dark here
12:11:26 PM KippLeKipp: how is it getting dark there?
12:11:27 PM osswix: oh and lighter.
12:11:30 PM fiftyfive: condark?
12:11:30 PM KippLeKipp: you broke my mind
12:12:14 PM osswix: i conbroke your conmind*
12:12:18 PM KippLeKipp: I have some trigraphs in my romanization just to make people squirm :3
12:12:28 PM Manofzelego: hhhuh?
12:12:30 PM fiftyfive: like which?
12:12:40 PM KippLeKipp: <hhh> for [χ]
12:12:53 PM osswix: hhh kip hhhahhhahhha.
12:12:54 PM KippLeKipp: h is aspiration, <hh> is [x], <hhh> is [χ]
12:13:11 PM Hobomancat: what is <x>
12:13:15 PM Hobomancat: ?
12:13:34 PM fiftyfive: like a [h], but a little further back
12:13:46 PM fiftyfive: I think the flag is falling again
12:13:55 PM osswix: yep
12:14:05 PM Hobomancat: No I meant what does the grapheme represent
12:14:17 PM Hobomancat: I know what a velar fricative is
12:14:21 PM DavidJPeterson: If the language distinguishes [x] and [χ] phonemically and not [h], I'd do <kh> and <h>.
12:14:24 PM fiftyfive: oh right sorry
12:14:28 PM KippLeKipp: <x> is [θ]
12:14:48 PM fiftyfive: I always get [] and <> confused
12:14:48 PM KippLeKipp: again, it's mainly designed to make people squirm
12:14:50 PM Hobomancat: I was just wondering why you would use <hh> instead of <x>
12:14:59 PM Hobomancat: okay thanks for clarifyinh
12:15:05 PM Hobomancat: *clarifying
12:15:10 PM DavidJPeterson: But why a romanization system? Why not an orthography?
12:15:19 PM DavidJPeterson: The romanization system is just a tool.
12:15:24 PM KippLeKipp: good point
12:15:30 PM Hobomancat: I've never seen [θ] as <x>
12:16:09 PM fiftyfive: Um. Kipp. What is happening in /r/KippLeKipp?
12:16:12 PM KippLeKipp: it's because I don't really like the thorn and [tʰ] is found rather often
12:16:16 PM KippLeKipp: oh tht
12:16:24 PM KippLeKipp: that's just me being shenanigans
12:16:56 PM fiftyfive: right ok
12:16:57 PM Hobomancat: I was simpily saying that i've never seen <x> to represnt it
12:17:14 PM KippLeKipp: yeh, and I was telling you why I did it :3
12:17:15 PM Linguifex: Maybe use <th> for /T/ and <t·h> for /t_h/?
12:17:16 PM GrayRichardson: Woot!
12:17:24 PM Linguifex: Or perhaps the other way around?
12:17:39 PM Hobomancat: I persnaly like using thorn and eth
12:17:40 PM Manofzelego: simple <ttt>
12:17:49 PM osswix: poor dutch
12:17:50 PM Linguifex:  No!
12:17:53 PM Hobomancat: I use them and eng in one of my langs
12:17:53 PM Manofzelego: lol
12:18:04 PM fiftyfive: <asugfdiasxbaisdas>
12:18:10 PM Manofzelego: ^ yes
12:18:14 PM osswix: i reckon germans are beatifull.
12:18:25 PM fiftyfive: people or language?
12:18:41 PM osswix: german languages*
12:18:43 PM Manofzelego: I think German is beautiful, I actually hate french 
12:18:46 PM salpfish: the country itself
12:18:51 PM Linguifex: I think Arabic is beautiful
12:18:54 PM Hobomancat: Yeah
12:18:57 PM salpfish: most beautiful map ever
12:19:05 PM Hobomancat: The countryball
12:19:12 PM fiftyfive: I like Faroese but I can't say that or I'll be shunned so there
12:19:20 PM osswix: chinese is beatifull.
12:19:21 PM Hobomancat: Faroese is awesome
12:19:25 PM KippLeKipp: tagalog ftw
12:19:27 PM Hobomancat: Do you know tyr the band?
12:19:33 PM fiftyfive: I call bias, Kipp
12:19:39 PM KippLeKipp: lel
12:19:48 PM fiftyfive: never heard of them, Hobomancat
12:19:53 PM KippLeKipp: i note nobody is calling danish beautiful :v
12:20:17 PM fiftyfive: Hey, Danish is cool.
12:20:17 PM Hobomancat: Ther'ye a sweet faroese band. They sing in English, Faroese, and Norwegian
12:20:34 PM fiftyfive: I'll take a look. Thanks!
12:20:58 PM Manofzelego: I wish we could see the slides
12:20:59 PM Hobomancat: They're a folk metal band, and have songs about vikings and norse myths
12:21:18 PM osswix: can you not read the slides?
12:21:22 PM DavidJPeterson: Usually the LCS provides the slides for download.
12:21:31 PM fiftyfive: Too whitewashed, osswix
12:21:32 PM KippLeKipp: the slides look like a white scren to me
12:21:38 PM osswix: i could imgur a picture
12:21:38 PM Hobomancat: same
12:21:38 PM Manofzelego: where would this download be at?
12:22:40 PM osswix: http://i.imgur.com/F4Q0kIg.jpg
12:22:57 PM fiftyfive: Thanks, osswix
12:22:57 PM Manofzelego: how?
12:23:09 PM Hobomancat: thanks
12:23:22 PM osswix: http://i.imgur.com/65U8a86.jpg
12:23:24 PM DavidJPeterson: They should be here, honestly: http://conlang.org/language-creation-conference/lcc6/lcc6-speakers-and-presenters/
12:23:31 PM DavidJPeterson: But they don't appear to be. That's unfortunate.
12:23:51 PM Manofzelego: aw, shame.
12:23:57 PM osswix: i will keep making pictures of usable sheets.
12:24:06 PM fiftyfive: you the real MVP
12:24:41 PM KippLeKipp: lel
12:25:23 PM DavidJPeterson: Where I'm sitting, I can't see the words on the slides, either.
12:25:32 PM osswix: i wont do the diagrams, they are unreadable from here either.
12:26:04 PM GrayRichardson: Woot! Celestial is mine
12:26:08 PM fiftyfive: It's actually really cool that we can talk to the actual David Peterson.
12:26:11 PM KippLeKipp: nice!
12:26:26 PM fiftyfive: The flag's coming off a lot, actually
12:26:41 PM KippLeKipp: fiftyfive : It might not be obvious but I am actually going all fangirl right now
12:26:47 PM Hobomancat: I should have contributed an audio clip
12:26:54 PM osswix: oh kip, ehh andrea.
12:27:00 PM KippLeKipp: ya
12:27:26 PM osswix: the flag is dying again~
12:27:51 PM salpfish: it's an omen
12:27:57 PM KippLeKipp: the only way to make the flag stay up there is shout at it sternly in klingon
12:28:05 PM fiftyfive: *sternly*
12:28:12 PM KippLeKipp: :3
12:28:15 PM DavidJPeterson: Languages that people claimed to recognize the most (they sounded most familiar): 1. English 2. French 3. Spanish 4. Mandarin Chinese 5. Esperanto.
12:28:17 PM Manofzelego: I read that as to stare sternly at it xD
12:28:23 PM Hobomancat: *sternly in klingon*
12:28:26 PM salpfish: i mean if you shout hard enough it'll hold the flag up regardless of language
12:28:37 PM KippLeKipp: but then everyone would go deaf
12:28:39 PM fiftyfive: you're right, actually
12:28:44 PM salpfish: shout voicelessly
12:28:58 PM DavidJPeterson: Languages that people claimed to recognize the least: 1. Hawaiian 2. Inupiatun 3. Dothraki 4. Xhosa 5. Sherpa.
12:29:04 PM fiftyfive: are voiceless vowels a thing?
12:29:10 PM salpfish: yups
12:29:18 PM Hobomancat: yes
12:29:20 PM Hobomancat: Japanes has them
12:29:23 PM salpfish: don't know of any languages that have them phonemically
12:29:26 PM fiftyfive: I feel like such a noob but thanks.
12:29:27 PM Hobomancat: *japanese
12:29:27 PM Manofzelego: wouldn't that be like silence?
12:29:43 PM osswix: dorthraki doesn't seem to be liked that much.
12:29:45 PM salpfish: but yeah japanese devoices /i ɯ/ in certain contexts
12:29:57 PM salpfish: they're basically whispered
12:30:01 PM DavidJPeterson: lol People disliked Dothraki perhaps because they thought it was Arabic. O.O
12:30:09 PM Linguifex: I like Arabic!
12:30:13 PM Linguifex: 
12:30:19 PM fiftyfive: Oh yeah, japanese has it in 'desu'
12:30:29 PM DavidJPeterson: I too like Arabic.
12:30:30 PM GrayRichardson: I like Arabic too!
12:30:34 PM osswix: i love arabic, it's just that people bind it with extreme muslims.
12:30:34 PM KippLeKipp: desu desu desu desu [desu ad infinitum]
12:30:46 PM Linguifex: I love /q/
12:30:47 PM KippLeKipp: I like arabic's phonology
12:30:49 PM osswix: desudesu.
12:30:52 PM Linguifex: And `ayn
12:30:55 PM Linguifex: Agreed, KippLeKipp
12:30:58 PM KippLeKipp: Linguifex : you have good taste
12:31:02 PM fiftyfive: Agreed.
12:31:03 PM KippLeKipp: in phonemes
12:31:05 PM Linguifex: I studied it
12:31:05 PM Hobomancat: Does anyone here know who laoshu is?
12:31:11 PM fiftyfive: Nope
12:31:13 PM Linguifex: in university
12:31:27 PM Hobomancat: He's a youtuber who studies langauges
12:31:37 PM salpfish: i've heard of him
12:31:51 PM Hobomancat: He goes out on the streets and practices languages with random people he sees
12:32:01 PM KippLeKipp: cool
12:32:22 PM Hobomancat: He's fluent in Mandarin and Cantonese, and speaks really good japanese and korean
12:32:56 PM fiftyfive: actually, come to think of it, japanese has voiceless u in a lot of words that end with 'su'. specifically verbs.
12:34:02 PM fiftyfive: oh no the flag is held up by one thing now
12:34:14 PM salpfish: the verbs end up getting the voicelessness because it only happens on syllables without pitch accent, and declensions usually aren't accented
12:34:20 PM osswix: byebye flag
12:34:26 PM fiftyfive: he ded
12:34:28 PM salpfish: it can still happen within roots as well
12:34:34 PM Hobomancat: apperently chmanchee has contrastive voiceless and voiced vowels
12:34:40 PM Hobomancat: *comanchee
12:34:43 PM fiftyfive: Ah. I did not know that. Thanks salpfish
12:34:51 PM salpfish: e.g. in "kusa" [kůsa]
12:35:02 PM salpfish: lazy voiceless symbol
12:35:17 PM salpfish: should be a turned m as well
12:35:18 PM Hobomancat: I read that i and u between voiceless consonants in japanese get unvoiced
12:35:24 PM KippLeKipp: someone should just ask David to shout at the flag and threatan it with extreme athnithar if it didn't stay on that wall 
12:35:33 PM fiftyfive: *stern klingon
12:35:35 PM fiftyfive: or german
12:35:37 PM salpfish: not in all places, hobo
12:35:40 PM fiftyfive: works either way
12:35:45 PM DavidJPeterson: Flags and tape never, ever mix.
12:35:47 PM DavidJPeterson: Need pins.
12:35:49 PM salpfish: pitch accented syllables don't get devoiced
12:35:56 PM salpfish: and it's not all voiceless consonants
12:36:17 PM Hobomancat: Thats just what I read on stackexchange though
12:36:22 PM fiftyfive: flags gone
12:36:26 PM Hobomancat: Are you fluent in Japanese Salpfish?
12:36:45 PM salpfish: somewhat
12:36:52 PM salpfish: b2 i'd say
12:37:04 PM Hobomancat: Did you learn it by yourself or in school?
12:37:09 PM salpfish: self
12:37:17 PM salpfish: i took spanish in school
12:37:23 PM DavidJPeterson: We're now ready for questions.
12:37:29 PM DavidJPeterson: If you have a question, just let me know.
12:37:37 PM fiftyfive: will do
12:37:41 PM Hobomancat: I took spanish and now I'm taking Chinese
12:37:44 PM Hobomancat: mandarin
12:38:37 PM Hobomancat: lol
12:38:52 PM salpfish: i took spanish up till ap, and then i only had 1 year of high school left so i didn't want to start a new one, but i'll definitely take another or two in college
12:38:56 PM osswix: no questions from here?
12:39:06 PM salpfish: seems so
12:39:20 PM Hobomancat: I want to take a native american langauge in college if possibe
12:39:26 PM Hobomancat: *possible
12:39:46 PM fiftyfive: DavidJPeterson : "Has the same study been conducted somewhere else and, if so, was the outcome any different?"
12:41:37 PM DavidJPeterson: Asked.
12:42:11 PM fiftyfive: Thanks heaps!
12:42:34 PM Manofzelego: Question: Was there any other studies that influenced you to conduct you study?
12:42:48 PM Manofzelego: *your study
12:43:02 PM osswix: should i ask ,david?
12:43:10 PM sheesania: DavidJPeterson: What got you interested in studying conlangs?
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12:43:45 PM DavidJPeterson: Asked both.
12:43:58 PM Manofzelego: yay thanks 
12:44:02 PM PogostickMan: I have a question: Was there any correlation between language typology and naturalness rating? DavidJPeterson
12:44:19 PM DavidJPeterson: Got it.
12:44:21 PM PogostickMan: (Apologies if this was addressed; my stream had hiccups)
12:44:31 PM PogostickMan: Thank you!
12:46:13 PM Hobomancat: No
12:46:35 PM PogostickMan: And of course my stream hiccups when she answers my question 
12:46:37 PM PogostickMan: Thank you, Hobomancat
12:46:53 PM fiftyfive: Basically, she didn't know.
12:46:58 PM PogostickMan: OK, thank you!
12:47:09 PM Manofzelego: Can this study be found in a paper published somewhere?
12:47:22 PM fiftyfive: You could also go back and watch again, I think, PogostickMan
12:47:43 PM PogostickMan: OK, I'll try that
12:48:11 PM PogostickMan: No, still hiccuped
12:48:17 PM PogostickMan: It, like, jumps.
12:48:33 PM PogostickMan: Will these talks be uploaded to YouTube separately later?
12:48:33 PM Hobomancat: I was saying no to her asking if all of our languages are typologicaly similar
12:48:33 PM DavidJPeterson: Did you try reducing the quality of the video PogostickMan?
12:48:39 PM PogostickMan: I did
12:48:41 PM PogostickMan: I'm at 144p
12:48:44 PM fiftyfive: Yeah they will be uploaded
12:48:50 PM PogostickMan: OK, I can wait until then.
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12:49:10 PM PogostickMan: Thanks for getting my question asked!
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12:49:21 PM PogostickMan: And thank you all for helping me with the answer.
12:49:54 PM fiftyfive: np
12:51:03 PM Manofzelego: Cool, I'll try to remember to check that out
12:52:23 PM osswix: "ah, eh, I ignored them", genius
12:52:40 PM fiftyfive: Was that DavidJPeterson?
12:52:56 PM DavidJPeterson: Yeah, that was me.
12:53:15 PM DavidJPeterson: I've been asked to remind everyone: We will have to switch to a second YouTube stream after lunch. That link is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-MSoK99FVU
12:53:31 PM GrayRichardson: Thanks!
12:54:15 PM osswix: david, is there something to keep books open, my notebook tends to close itself.
12:54:41 PM DavidJPeterson: No, but I think the idea, osswix, is for people to actually go up, pick the artifacts up, look at them, etc.
12:54:49 PM DavidJPeterson: Not necessarily to display for people in the audience to see.
12:54:52 PM DavidJPeterson: I think, anyway.
12:54:58 PM osswix: allright.
12:55:11 PM fiftyfive: I have been watching this stream for 2 hrs now.
12:55:22 PM DavidJPeterson: Breaking for lunch!
12:55:24 PM PogostickMan: Thank you for the heads-up!
12:55:26 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: OK, we're shutting the stream down for lunch
12:55:26 PM fiftyfive: Going to have to go soon.
12:55:31 PM DavidJPeterson: REMEMBER: New stream link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-MSoK99FVU
12:55:34 PM PogostickMan: How long is unch?
12:55:36 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: David's up next, in an hour, on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-MSoK99FVU
12:55:37 PM PogostickMan: *lunch
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12:55:38 PM DavidJPeterson: 1 hour.
12:55:40 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: lunch is one hour
12:55:42 PM DavidJPeterson: Talk to you later!
12:55:42 PM PogostickMan: OK.
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2:11:54 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: if you have questions, please mention me w/ them
2:11:55 PM GrayRichardson: I bet there's an option somehow to turn off the autofocus and manually focus it.
2:12:19 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: GrayRichardson: it's not a great webcam 
2:12:32 PM Manofzelego: webcams are usally pretty restrictive
2:12:58 PM GrayRichardson: No worries, just thought it was worth a shot to ask.
2:13:48 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: GrayRichardson: it's fair. Wish we could, but we didn't bring good enough equipment this time
2:13:55 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: at least the audio is clean!
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2:14:17 PM GrayRichardson: @sai
2:14:33 PM GrayRichardson: I'm not complaining at all, I think you guys are doing a great job!
2:14:38 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: 
2:14:51 PM GrayRichardson: I'm pleased as punch just to be able to watch!
2:14:53 PM Manofzelego: I did notice some larger camcorders around, are their others recording this too?
2:14:55 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: we got the slides working again, whee
2:15:07 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: yeah, britton is recording a documentary
2:15:09 PM GrayRichardson: And the audio really is excellent!
2:15:25 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: so he's got two fancypants cameras
2:15:30 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: but we don't have a feed from them 
2:17:36 PM osswix: this talk is really interesting.
2:18:02 PM fiftyfive: Agreed, osswix
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2:18:34 PM ieuan: yo
2:18:44 PM Fenhl: o/
2:19:04 PM ieuan: \o
2:20:02 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: questions?
2:20:57 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: deh, stream crash
2:21:25 PM PogostickMan: Stream failure
2:21:30 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: 
2:21:33 PM PogostickMan: Stream success!
2:21:51 PM PogostickMan: It's back!
2:22:37 PM fredbayer: Question: (also asked in YT chat): How big of a disadvantage is lacking a degree in linguistics?
2:22:52 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: fredbayer: queued
2:23:11 PM fredbayer: Thank you 
2:23:50 PM fiftyfive: osswix is that you?
2:24:03 PM osswix: yep
2:24:21 PM PogostickMan: Hey ieuan
2:26:05 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: also, slides casting screwed up again, will need to do a technical-bugfixing break after david
2:27:22 PM ieuan: can anyone link the stream?
2:27:30 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_sai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-MSoK99FVU
2:27:41 PM ieuan: gonna see if it works on mobile
2:27:59 PM ieuan: Cheers
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2:29:22 PM osswix: that, was a great talk.
2:29:37 PM GrayRichardson: Indeed!
2:29:40 PM GrayRichardson: Great talk!
2:29:47 PM osswix: the flag is hung again.
2:30:01 PM osswix: let's see how it keeps up.
2:30:13 PM GrayRichardson: It's like the moon landing.
2:30:13 PM KippLeKipp: the poor flag
2:30:22 PM PogostickMan: I second the great talk.
2:30:22 PM GrayRichardson: We have claimed the podium in the name of earth.
2:30:23 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_DJP: But it's touched the ground! It must be burned!
2:30:30 PM LCC6-IRC-mic_DJP: Wait, where's my nickname?
2:30:39 PM PogostickMan: To the left of your text.
You are now known as DavidJPeterson (2:30:48 PM)
2:30:49 PM PogostickMan: 
2:30:51 PM DavidJPeterson: There we go!
2:31:11 PM osswix: got ur mac back david?
2:32:15 PM DavidJPeterson: Yes I do!
2:32:21 PM DavidJPeterson: It's covered with Sai dust now!
2:32:22 PM GrayRichardson: Good job David! That was a really great talk!
2:32:25 PM osswix: hahaa
2:32:35 PM Manofzelego: stream ded?
2:32:42 PM DavidJPeterson: Thanks!
2:32:44 PM DavidJPeterson: Is it?
2:32:46 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: how's thae stream?
2:32:50 PM Fenhl: should be back now
2:32:55 PM PogostickMan: Now it's up again.
2:32:55 PM Manofzelego: it's back now
2:32:57 PM DavidJPeterson: Okay.
2:33:07 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: great
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2:33:32 PM PogostickMan: Now I can hear him.
2:33:38 PM DavidJPeterson: Cool.
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2:34:23 PM osswix: btw, are the sheets reable on the stream?
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2:35:02 PM DavidJPeterson: Sheets?
2:35:17 PM Manofzelego: I think he means the slides
2:35:22 PM osswix: yep
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2:35:35 PM osswix: sowwy for being dutch ˆˆ
2:35:38 PM PogostickMan: I'm familiar with Language Log.
2:35:40 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: <- sai taking over from alex
2:35:48 PM PogostickMan: I got namedropped on there once.
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2:37:48 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: whee? 
2:41:48 PM GrayRichardson: http://dnghu.org/en/prometheus-engineer-proto-indo-european/
2:41:57 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: DavidJPeterson: could you please ask sylvia to come up to the audio booth?
2:45:48 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: conlang.org is down at the moment. will have to fix it later, don't have resources to do so right now
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2:46:37 PM Manofzelego: conlang.org isn't down for me?
2:47:05 PM DavidJPeterson: Are you certain? It's down for me, too.
2:47:21 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: that's interesting
2:47:26 PM Manofzelego: yup, just refreshed
2:47:47 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: anyone else not in Horsham confirm it's up?
2:49:22 PM fiftyfive: It's up for me (AUS)
2:49:48 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: ok, that's a clue
2:49:48 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: thanks
2:51:06 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: will try poking it when not doing a lot of switching
2:51:25 PM fiftyfive: poking?
2:51:46 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: attempting to fix
2:52:18 PM fiftyfive: oh right thanks.
2:52:31 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: like now 
2:52:31 PM fiftyfive: Alright, going to go.
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2:59:21 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: technical issues, trying to fix
2:59:53 PM Manofzelego: so is the video actually frozen?
3:00:03 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: only in broadcast
3:00:05 PM DavidJPeterson: Sorry I went dark there for a bit. conlang.org appears to be back.
3:00:24 PM fredbayer: So the audio choppiness isn't on my end?
3:00:31 PM fredbayer: (I have terrible wireless speakers)
3:00:41 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: no, that's in broadcats
3:00:42 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: 
3:00:43 PM Manofzelego: no I have that too now
3:00:57 PM GrayRichardson: is the video frozen?
3:01:02 PM Manofzelego: dang internets
3:01:14 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: ye
3:01:15 PM GrayRichardson: The audio is flowing fine but the video is the same picture for me
3:01:21 PM osswix: imma watch this movie.
3:01:35 PM GrayRichardson: The movie is good, I can vouch for that.
3:01:41 PM GrayRichardson: I bought it.
3:01:49 PM GrayRichardson: I like the little documentaries too.
3:02:06 PM DavidJPeterson: Word is sound is worsening. Anyone else hearing that?
3:02:14 PM PogostickMan: What's with the sound? It's acting up for me.
3:02:16 PM PogostickMan: ninja'd
3:02:17 PM Manofzelego: getting better for me
3:02:24 PM Manofzelego: also video is back
3:02:31 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: we're back
3:02:35 PM GrayRichardson: video is back for me too.
3:02:37 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: sorry about that 
3:02:49 PM fredbayer: Back now.
3:03:21 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: how's the sync?
3:03:47 PM Manofzelego: not horrible
3:04:00 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: better than I thought
3:04:10 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: video and audio are on totally different circuits
3:04:16 PM Manofzelego: like a second or 2?
3:04:29 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: video is pretty laggy getting to the broadcast computer 
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3:12:39 PM daiki: oh, i has quit, brb
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3:14:01 PM fredbayer: Question: Do you have any formal education in vector design and typography, or are you self-taught?
3:14:27 PM DavidJPeterson: Got it.
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3:16:46 PM osswix: gwaur
3:16:48 PM osswix: haii
3:16:59 PM Gwaur: hillo
3:17:00 PM osswix: good eve.
3:17:17 PM Gwaur: good aft.n.
3:19:55 PM GrayRichardson: What was the book?
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3:20:08 PM daiki: test
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3:20:33 PM BoneHead777: ohai gwauw
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3:21:23 PM Gwaur: hi sascha
3:22:55 PM osswix: than romlanging came.
3:22:57 PM GrayRichardson: And now for something completely different...
3:23:13 PM IJzeren_Jan: Yay!
3:23:16 PM Gwaur: something no-one has ever seen before
3:23:16 PM GrayRichardson: Romulan?
3:23:42 PM osswix: 롬랑。
3:25:53 PM osswix: jan
3:26:23 PM osswix: je conlang staat daar denk ik... (dutch ftw)
3:27:51 PM osswix: nu, stond.
3:29:12 PM BoneHead777: Гваур, ду глау ка ви глауби деки махха виоссавидео?
3:30:18 PM Gwaur: пер йуутубе?
3:32:58 PM BoneHead777: най, туо тинг ка туо миес махха, афто  видео "Глоссамахха"
3:34:32 PM Gwaur: ви мус искат 
3:35:28 PM BoneHead777: юн васю, ка исквт?
3:35:50 PM BoneHead777: (ю, ё = ü, ö)
3:36:50 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: http://conlang.org/language-creation-conference/lcc6/lcc6-speakers-and-presenters/ updated with my talk & the legal memo on conlangs (http://conlang.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/Dentons-Conlang-Memo-public-version.pdf). Will be uploading slides soon.
3:36:57 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: (for [almost] all speakers)
3:37:29 PM Gwaur: BoneHead777: искат = суру пер се, ли деки суру
3:38:05 PM BoneHead777: глауби фшто
3:46:17 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: slides are up on the speaker page, linked to the title, for Thalmann, Peterson, & Beinhoff
3:47:33 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: Tait's will be up after the break
3:47:57 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: others' (except Keegan) after their respective talks
3:49:14 PM fredbayer: Question: Why do you think Romance is so much more popular for Indo-European a posteriori languages, compared to things like Germanic or Celtic?
3:49:45 PM Gwaur: I'm certain it's partly because latin is so well attested
3:50:57 PM DavidJPeterson: I think it's just not true.
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3:51:19 PM IJzeren_Jan: Me neither. On the Polish conlang group it's just full of Slavlangs.
3:51:46 PM IJzeren_Jan: Two questions to Christian: 1. Does Jovian also borrow vocabulary from other languages? 2. How does Jovian handle international vocabulary?
3:53:28 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: I've linked the slides from the schedule too. http://conlang.org/language-creation-conference/lcc6/lcc6-schedule/
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4:00:56 PM osswix: whoop whoop.
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4:04:27 PM GrayRichardson: It's cool that the slides are up. I got a little distracted for a bit rifling through them.
4:04:48 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: goddamn coder
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4:05:20 PM fredbayer: Yeah, just stopped working.
4:05:38 PM DavidJPeterson: What? The stream has stopped?
4:05:45 PM fredbayer: Yup.
4:05:46 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: back up
4:05:49 PM fredbayer: Back now, but without sound.
4:05:50 PM GrayRichardson: I reloaded and it started playing again.
4:06:04 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: lost the dektop feed again though
4:06:11 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: it's fragile 
4:06:13 PM GrayRichardson: sound is back
4:06:30 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: aaand got it back
4:06:42 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: so lost about 30s of a/v
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4:06:55 PM DavidJPeterson: Looks agglutinative rather than fusional so far.
4:06:59 PM fredbayer: Working now.
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4:07:56 PM osswix: i agree david, it yet lacks the irregularity, maybe the verbs?
4:08:38 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: sorry for the distraction, GrayRichardson?
4:08:54 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: I haven't put up any slides from people who haven't gone yet
4:08:57 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: (and won't)
4:09:11 PM DavidJPeterson: LCC6-Broadcaster: We've done that in the past.
4:09:14 PM GrayRichardson: no, just went back and was looking at the old slides.
4:09:29 PM DavidJPeterson: LCC6-Broadcaster: So people could see the slides on their own while presenters are presenting.
4:09:35 PM GrayRichardson: That is, once I realized that they were up.
4:09:42 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: DavidJPeterson: Yeah, but I figure it's nice to not spoil it. Can put it up simultaneous though
4:10:01 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: could discuss during break
4:10:18 PM osswix: there we go, thats more fusional.
4:10:27 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: will need to ask Britton about his, since it's got two big videos embedded
4:10:39 PM DavidJPeterson: Upload them now but just have the link go live right as the presenter presents. LCC6-Broadcaster
4:10:47 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: DavidJPeterson: Already did 
4:10:57 PM DavidJPeterson: Ah. Cool!
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4:11:03 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: for the ones that I have in gdrive at least
4:11:15 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: some aren't, since I killed everything nonessential on the presenting laptop
4:11:23 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: but will grab on usb during break
4:11:53 PM DavidJPeterson: Yeah, agglutinative thus far.
4:12:08 PM GrayRichardson: So, the difference between agglutinative and fusional is just that in fusional there's more than one category/concept encoded in the affixes?
4:12:28 PM DavidJPeterson: Yes.
4:12:38 PM Gwaur: fusional fuses more meanings in single morphemes
4:12:47 PM DavidJPeterson: *single affixes
4:12:50 PM DavidJPeterson: 
4:13:03 PM GrayRichardson: I have faith in him.
4:13:04 PM Gwaur: ocey
4:13:06 PM Zhalio: He said the m-word! o_0
4:13:09 PM GrayRichardson: I am sure he will fuse something yet.
4:13:33 PM Gwaur: I'm sorry I don't know much about a lot of things yet 
4:13:43 PM DavidJPeterson: The plurals can be analyzed as fusional.
4:13:44 PM osswix: i am not even sure if my lang is fusional or agglutenative.
4:13:56 PM DavidJPeterson: Noun plurals.
4:14:05 PM Zhalio: Don't worry Gwaur, many professional linguists use the word morpheme. 
4:14:17 PM GrayRichardson: Don't sweat the lingo. It's not really important whether it's one or the other.
4:14:48 PM osswix: lets consider mine "something"
4:14:54 PM kaleissin: Not enough battery left, chat ya later
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4:14:58 PM DavidJPeterson: This is interesting. It's basically the opposite of what I'd expect.
4:15:22 PM Zhalio: At least opposite to Latin logic
4:15:34 PM DavidJPeterson: I.e. if you told me dynamic and stative predicates differ with respect to what case they assign their objects, I'd say statives would take dative, dynamic accusative.
4:15:40 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: Zhalio: have you seen DavidJPeterson's talk "down with morphemes"? 
4:16:00 PM BoneHead777: what's wrong with morphemes?
4:16:11 PM GrayRichardson: I'm a heretic. I am pro-morpheme.
4:16:24 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: 
4:16:41 PM DavidJPeterson: Questions?
4:16:42 PM Zhalio: I like that idiom
4:16:58 PM GrayRichardson: clap clap clap
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4:18:52 PM IJzeren_Jan: Mr. Newton! 
4:19:35 PM pne: Testing the waters with a web IRC client
4:19:40 PM osswix: its almost time for a break.
4:19:43 PM fredbayer: Need to get some errands done now. Be back later! Great conference so far 
4:20:21 PM IJzeren_Jan: Both work fine, the IRC and the chatbox on Youtube.
4:20:55 PM pne: Never heard of a chatbox on YouTube
4:21:06 PM IJzeren_Jan: Me neither, it just popped up.
4:21:08 PM osswix: the flag is still hanging~ ish
4:21:08 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: go to the live stream
4:21:13 PM DavidJPeterson: I hadn't either, actually, but I've been using it all day. Works!
4:21:29 PM GrayRichardson: How much have you fleshed out the prior versions of the language? How many versions of the language are fully or partially fleshed out? Have you created other languages for your world and is there language change do to contact and borrowing?
4:21:39 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: it's a special mode of comments for live vs nonlive video
4:21:46 PM pne: Ah ok
4:22:09 PM IJzeren_Jan: So once it's not live anymore, the comments are gone?
4:22:20 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: not 100% sure
4:22:26 PM Zhalio: I ran into some Java security trouble with the first few attempts. I'm now on http://webchat.freenode.net/.
4:22:28 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: I think it switches to normal yt comment tyle
4:22:37 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: conlang.org/chat.php has an irc client
4:22:40 PM pne: I am too Zhalio
4:22:47 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: (java)
4:22:57 PM pne: I had used Mibbit in the past on a PC as well
4:23:00 PM IJzeren_Jan: Looks like it, the comments of the first part are gone.
4:23:15 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: IJzeren_Jan might change over time?
4:23:20 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: caching or the like
4:23:26 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: *shrugs*
4:23:38 PM IJzeren_Jan: No idea, just tried to open it. Comments gone.
4:23:44 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: huh
4:23:59 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: and hopefully the flag will be stable now 
4:24:33 PM IJzeren_Jan: Funny that the flag has acquired such broad use, BTW!
4:24:55 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: m?
4:25:33 PM DavidJPeterson: Break now.  Back in 35 minutes.
4:25:37 PM IJzeren_Jan: I mean, when it came up with it on CONLANG ±12 years ago, it was rather for fun.
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5:00:01 PM DavidJPeterson: Back!
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5:01:12 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: holmes slides up on speakers & chedule pages
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5:02:13 PM DavidJPeterson: Link to slides: http://conlang.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/LCC6_Holmes.pdf
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5:03:18 PM Fenhl: tgis is probably one of the talks for which I'll have to take a look at the slides later
5:03:25 PM Fenhl: *this
5:04:00 PM DavidJPeterson: For folks with my eyesight, it helps to look at them during.  (The downloaded ones.)
5:04:29 PM Zhalio: Phew, too fast for me
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5:05:50 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: how's the reolution on the video stream?
5:05:56 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: at least for slides, if not the camera
5:06:06 PM Zhalio: I guess I was guilty of that too. I was originally going to take the time to pronounce all the sayings, but ended up running out of time.
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5:09:19 PM Zhalio: Nice sound
5:09:54 PM DavidJPeterson: That looks very similar to Carsten's old script.
5:10:15 PM Zhalio: I think I remember that...
5:10:54 PM DavidJPeterson: http://omniglot.com/conscripts/ayeri.htm
5:11:10 PM DavidJPeterson: lol Funny I went searching for something on Omniglot while sitting behind the creator of Omniglot.
5:11:58 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: just lost stream
5:12:04 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: another crash
5:12:05 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: fixing
5:13:42 PM Zhalio: What's tetration?
5:14:51 PM Zhalio: Awesome
5:15:00 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: cam & audio up, lost slides again
5:15:03 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: working on it
5:18:43 PM Zhalio: Quite the performer
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5:20:03 PM DavidJPeterson: Questions?
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5:21:05 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: will be interrupting the stream after his talk to try to fix the slides again
5:21:27 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: same link, will just pause a bit
5:21:31 PM pne: An impressive amount of work
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5:23:50 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: tetration, by the way, is repeated exponentiation
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5:24:05 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: 3 tetrate(?) 4 is 3^(3^(3^3))
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5:24:16 PM osswix: he so fluent in reading 0~0
5:26:22 PM Zhalio: I wouldn't call that feminine, more like intimate
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5:27:06 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: technical difficulties!
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5:27:47 PM kaleissin: Have ppl never  heard of breathiness-harmony? tsk
5:27:51 PM GrayRichardson: tetration, is that like cubing?
5:28:19 PM ni291187: I like breathiness harmony 
5:29:05 PM GrayRichardson: Ah, apparently: tetration (or hyper-4) is the next hyper operator after exponentiation, and is defined as iterated exponentiation. The word was coined by Reuben Louis Goodstein, from tetra- (four) and iteration. Tetration is used for the notation of very large numbers.
5:30:48 PM Zhalio: Didn't that one scifi series have an alien language with voiceless words?
5:31:15 PM GrayRichardson: American sign language?
5:31:18 PM DavidJPeterson: Word is there's no sound in the stream.
5:31:28 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: on it
5:31:40 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: how's that
5:31:47 PM IJzeren_Jan: Okay now!
5:31:55 PM Gwaur: can't hear anything yet, maybe there's some latency
5:31:55 PM Zhalio: Earth: Final Conflict?
5:31:57 PM GrayRichardson: sound is back
5:31:58 PM Gwaur: now it works
5:32:28 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: was the audio out from the start of Havliš' till then?
5:33:43 PM IJzeren_Jan: Yeah, missed the beginning. 
5:34:27 PM Zhalio: Is there a living fish in this image?
5:34:48 PM GrayRichardson: I would classify Tenctonese as more of a inside joke relex.
5:35:00 PM Zhalio: I liked the click...
5:35:08 PM DavidJPeterson: LCC6-Broadcaster: Do we have Jan Havlis's slides up on the site?
5:35:10 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: havlis' slides uploaded on schedule & talks pages
5:35:12 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: just now
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5:35:17 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: sorry about the audio 
5:35:20 PM DavidJPeterson: Cool.
5:35:35 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: I didn't see a living fish, just a ceramic(?) one and a robotic one
5:36:57 PM IJzeren_Jan: Is there a chance for seeing the slides of this presentation, too?
5:37:21 PM DavidJPeterson: http://conlang.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/LCC6_Havlis.pdf
5:37:36 PM IJzeren_Jan: Thanx!!
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5:39:09 PM Zhalio: M-word!
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5:39:39 PM fredbayer: Back 
5:41:26 PM GrayRichardson: Hi Fred!
5:46:21 PM Zhalio: Duffin, meh... I do like cronuts, though
5:46:38 PM osswix: i'd eat one.
5:47:00 PM osswix: i'd eat anythink though.
5:47:53 PM Gwaur: did this guy say what his native lang is? I missed some of the beginning
5:48:30 PM osswix: chech
5:48:44 PM osswix: or however spelled.
5:48:49 PM Zhalio: Czech
5:48:56 PM Gwaur: thanks
5:49:00 PM osswix: ˆˆ
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6:04:58 PM DavidJPeterson: Questions?
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6:05:46 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: DavidJPeterson: check the mic batteries, one of them is low
6:06:04 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: the yellow, I think
6:06:14 PM Zhalio: Limitation is good for creativity
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6:07:41 PM fredbayer: Oh, question: Where would something like glossolalia fit into your framework?
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6:12:21 PM Gwaur: I love how this guy trills his word-initial rs
6:13:54 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: the next presentation will have no slide intercuts
6:14:40 PM pne: Kaleissin says: that flag has a mind of its own
6:15:05 PM Zhalio: It's a lie detector
6:15:09 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: the slides are online at... well, Sai wrote the address but I can't read his handwriting
6:15:40 PM GrayRichardson: So, Bettina & Jan are both scientists doing studies of conlangs and conlangers as a serious scientific inquiry. I think that's an interesting trend!
6:15:45 PM DavidJPeterson: Which? This upcoming presentation?
6:15:49 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: that's right
6:15:55 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: http://mk.ucant.org/media/conlang-talk/
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6:19:45 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: link is up on the site
6:19:52 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: both pages
6:20:44 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: he's running his presentation on a … highly custom stack (kernel modifications, custom ocaml, etc…) so we can't ingest video directly from his computer
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6:26:51 PM ni291187: live!!
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6:27:24 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: DavidJPeterson: think of the children!
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6:28:11 PM fredbayer: This is obviously not in the online presentation 
6:28:24 PM GrayRichardson: It is, i think.
6:28:30 PM GrayRichardson: Just, arrow down
6:28:51 PM fredbayer: Yeah, but that's just a title.
6:28:52 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: the stuff now in't
6:28:53 PM Gwaur: nah, him playing around with windows and the command line isn't
6:28:56 PM fredbayer: "Demonstration: vowel harmony"
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6:29:04 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: and we don't have something taking it in
6:29:25 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: for some reason I don't have his custom ocaml and kernel running on my laptop 
6:29:38 PM fredbayer: lol
6:29:46 PM GrayRichardson: You were supposed to load it before the talk!
6:29:50 PM fredbayer: Will the slides be visible on the camcorder version released afterwards?
6:29:54 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: GrayRichardson: I tried!
6:29:57 PM GrayRichardson: It's showing fine on my screen!
6:29:59 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: fredbayer: slide are up
6:30:07 PM DavidJPeterson: Yeah they're here: http://mk.ucant.org/media/conlang-talk/
6:30:10 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: the stuff he' doing right now, we don't have
6:30:21 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: maybe britton's camera will get it better
6:30:23 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: TBD
6:30:30 PM GrayRichardson: I was just joking David!
6:31:12 PM GrayRichardson: I meant his custom kernel and Ocaml
6:31:20 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: 
6:31:26 PM fredbayer: No, I meant the stuff he's doing on screen
6:31:36 PM fredbayer: Are the camcorders recording the projector bit at all?
6:31:48 PM fredbayer: Ah, you answered above.
6:31:50 PM fredbayer: Brainfart xD
6:32:39 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: we only have a webcam on the broadcast
6:32:52 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: britton has fancypants cameras running for his film
6:33:06 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: we might be able to get better video up later, but TBD
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6:33:40 PM Zhalio: Is it just me or do the randomly generated words always sound weirder than the real ones?
6:33:57 PM Zhalio: Statistically at least...
6:34:27 PM pne: You do need a human filter
6:34:33 PM DavidJPeterson: Questions?
6:34:40 PM pne: To filter out maybe 60% of the output
6:34:45 PM GrayRichardson: ONe should probably not have the square root of pi as a phoneme.
6:34:48 PM Fenhl: that's probably related to the missing frequency feature
6:35:00 PM fredbayer: Question: Is this project Open Source, and if so, is it on GitHub?
6:35:10 PM pne: Yes, Zipf stuff helps a lot
6:35:24 PM pne: Not all strings would occur with the same frequency
6:36:22 PM Gwaur: mystery conlang? I've been using that term about one of my conlangs, wonder what he meant with it
6:36:23 PM GrayRichardson: William Annis just put up a nifty vocabulary generator on his webpage. It doesn't do the reverse checking bit. But it seems otherwise pretty spiffy.
6:37:24 PM Zhalio: To be fair, a pipe as a letter is a typographic crime... 
6:37:34 PM Zhalio: Frequency feature?
6:37:38 PM DavidJPeterson: Agreed. >.<
6:37:38 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: https://github.com/mk270/ocaml-prolog
6:37:45 PM Zhalio: To prevent things like
6:37:51 PM Zhalio: "nordordir"?
6:38:01 PM GrayRichardson: https://github.com/mk270/ocaml-prolog
6:38:27 PM fredbayer: Cheers.
6:39:11 PM pne: Perhaps one can use the IPA letter that looks like a pipe instead
6:39:30 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: link is on the site
6:39:37 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: just added
6:40:07 PM Gwaur: gleb!
6:40:27 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: alex is right here…
6:40:34 PM Zhalio: Gleb?
6:40:45 PM Gwaur: the random phonology generator
6:40:50 PM Gwaur: http://000024.org/cgi-bin/gleb.cgi
6:41:05 PM Gwaur: gets extremely crazy sometimes
6:41:25 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: this is true!
6:41:28 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: (says alex)
6:41:29 PM fredbayer: GrayRichardson you mean Lingweenie? I can't find it.
6:41:32 PM Zhalio: Isn't phonology like building the ability scores of a D&D character? Can't imagine outsourcing it.
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6:41:41 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: <-- sai and alex trading off
6:41:42 PM kaleissin: Lol
6:42:15 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: I've got a second phonology generator in the works
6:42:30 PM Zhalio: Well, I guess some people do roll their stats... I'm a point-buy kind of guy. 
6:42:33 PM LCC6-Broadcaster: (... but given the amount of free time I'm getting for it it might be ready next decade)
6:43:55 PM GrayRichardson: http://acta-lingweenie.tumblr.com/post/115081554505/lexifer-my-word-generation-tool
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6:46:18 PM fredbayer_: Thanks for crashing, Firefox.
6:46:54 PM DavidJPeterson: Thanks for following along today! See you tomorrow. 
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6:47:00 PM Fenhl: and that's it for today!
6:47:02 PM pne: The end! (For today.)
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12:25:39 PM IJzeren_Jan: Good morning, David!
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12:26:15 PM BoneHead777: hi irc
12:26:16 PM DavidJPeterson: Good morning, IJzeren_Jan!
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12:26:27 PM fiftyfive: Hey BoneHead777
12:26:31 PM DavidJPeterson: Can someone give me the link to the YouTube stream?
12:26:40 PM fiftyfive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqNis7y0hA8
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12:27:23 PM IJzeren_Jan: Good morning, Philip.
12:27:32 PM pne: Good morning!
12:27:37 PM fiftyfive: The stream's looking pretty smooth, DavidJPeterson
12:27:41 PM PogostickMan: ^
12:27:47 PM DavidJPeterson: Hooray!
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12:27:58 PM fiftyfive: *claps sensibly*
12:28:04 PM DavidJPeterson: Slides: http://conlang.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/LCC6_Bleackley.pdf
12:28:10 PM fiftyfive: oh hey osswix
12:28:15 PM osswix: Hi
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12:32:22 PM DavidJPeterson: That's actually really cool (vocative).
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12:32:55 PM IJzeren_Jan: I've actually always argued that the vocative is not a real case.
12:33:06 PM fiftyfive: Why not?
12:33:08 PM Zhalio: Yeah, nice touch
12:33:12 PM BoneHead777: it is kind of a weird one
12:33:12 PM DavidJPeterson: I've thought that about the genitive, too, honestly.
12:33:40 PM osswix: Genitive not being a case?
12:33:53 PM Zhalio: German has genitive complements to verbs
12:34:01 PM DavidJPeterson: Yeah. It doesn't do the same thing as other cases often.
12:34:14 PM BoneHead777: well, genitive I'd say it depends on the etymology. would you consider the various adposition-replacing cases no cases as well?
12:34:14 PM pne: Not so much in common speech though
12:34:27 PM IJzeren_Jan: In the case of the genitive I'm not conviced. In Slavic it absolutely behaves like a case though.
12:34:38 PM IJzeren_Jan: But the vocative is a different story.
12:35:23 PM BoneHead777: I guess the main difference is that the genitive is part of an NP, while most other cases are part of a whole sentence
12:35:28 PM BoneHead777: if you know what I mean
12:35:28 PM IJzeren_Jan: BTW a funny tendency in Polish is that sometimes the vocative is used instead of the nominative. 
12:36:05 PM osswix: I often make the error with possesive pronouns in German, I tend to make them genitive instead of not having them agree with the noun.
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12:39:16 PM DavidJPeterson: BoneHead777 Yes, that was what I meant by that. But, of course, some languages will use the genitive in non-genitive ways, and, e.g., certain verbs will require a genitive argument for some reason.
12:39:59 PM eugenelcc6: Of course it had to be Dagestan 
12:40:05 PM DavidJPeterson: lol
12:41:08 PM Zhalio: Isn't the vocative a core case in Castithano?
12:41:51 PM DavidJPeterson: Depends how you classify the terminations on nouns.
12:41:56 PM DavidJPeterson: If you call them cases, yes.
12:43:45 PM osswix: Dogget.
12:44:03 PM IJzeren_Jan: Reminds of the X-Files.
12:44:14 PM DavidJPeterson: Dogget sounds like a mild insult. I like it.
12:44:15 PM Gwaur: hotdogget
12:44:26 PM Fenhl: that example “I give a bone, the dog gets it” looks a bit like Ęndehl to me
12:44:38 PM Zhalio: I was just thinking of my Oro Mpaa
12:44:49 PM Zhalio: Where you would say "I give bone goes_to dog"
12:44:54 PM DavidJPeterson: Or Sasxsek.
12:45:53 PM pne: Chinese does similar serial verb constructions, doesn't it?
12:46:49 PM osswix: Is the /ŋk/ from a genuin english accent?
12:46:56 PM Gwaur: conlankink
12:47:09 PM Tsela: It is... British English is weird 
12:47:15 PM eugenelcc6: It is but a lot of it is his idiolect 
12:47:16 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: yeah, go ask And
12:47:25 PM fiftyfive: Yeah I noticed that too. My accent does a /ŋg/
12:47:35 PM IJzeren_Jan: *has to walk the dog, back soon!*
12:48:14 PM eugenelcc6: Jan walk dogget?
12:48:21 PM Gwaur: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Ng-coalescence.svg
12:48:37 PM osswix: *being dutch having a really easy time just doing /ŋ/*
12:49:08 PM DavidJPeterson: FrathWiki for Iljena: http://www.frathwiki.com/Iljena
12:49:21 PM osswix: he dogwalkt.
12:49:25 PM fiftyfive: It never ceases to amaze me the diversity of the British accent
12:49:31 PM Fenhl: the Ęndehl structure would be something like "I give dog receives bone moves"
12:49:33 PM DavidJPeterson: Everyone hearing things on the stream?
12:49:39 PM fiftyfive: Yep!
12:49:57 PM DavidJPeterson: Thanks!
12:50:03 PM Zhalio: I wouldn't have parsed that "all he makes, he decorates..." correctly — I guess the syntax must be tricky
12:50:04 PM Fenhl: so a verb for every participant in the sentence like in Iljena, but not fused into a single word
12:50:23 PM pne: Fenhl very iljena-like
12:50:43 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: Fenhl, is Ęndehl yours?
12:50:51 PM Fenhl: a colllang
12:50:58 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: ah
12:51:03 PM Fenhl: it didn't get very far of course
12:51:45 PM osswix: collangs sometimes are funny, until you don't agree.
12:54:02 PM Zhalio: I think I'd be too opinionated to join in a collang.
12:54:16 PM fiftyfive: This is a very interesting talk; I should be taking notes
12:54:43 PM BoneHead777: you can rewatch it, can't you?
12:54:48 PM fiftyfive: Yeah
12:54:51 PM Tsela: Everything is recorded and will be published on our Youtube channel.
12:54:53 PM DavidJPeterson: Of course, it's being recorded, so you'll be able to watch it again later. 
12:55:13 PM pne: What wiukd be usefuk is a transcript
12:55:22 PM pne: I can read a lot faster than I can listen
12:55:32 PM pne: And grep better in written sources 
12:55:51 PM BoneHead777: for the very first talk, a side by side transcript would be awesome
12:56:07 PM DavidJPeterson: That's true.
12:56:11 PM pne: Which one was that agaian?
12:56:17 PM BoneHead777: I had a hard time following it
12:56:27 PM Tsela: The Itlani one 
12:56:28 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: Alurhsa, living your language
12:56:30 PM BoneHead777: the one where one guy spoke in a conlang
12:56:32 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: er, Itlani.
12:56:33 PM Tsela: Jim and Tony
12:56:35 PM pne: Ah right
12:56:36 PM BoneHead777: and the other translated
12:56:43 PM BoneHead777: thanks, not good at names
12:56:51 PM pne: Yes, that would be awesome
12:57:06 PM fiftyfive: Agreed.
12:58:13 PM fiftyfive: DavidJPeterson, have you talked to Sam Blumire about LLADI? It will be a pretty useful resource.
12:59:25 PM DavidJPeterson: LLADI…? And no, don't know Sam Blumire. Who's that? fiftyfive
12:59:45 PM BoneHead777: sam's a guy sitting here in the back
12:59:52 PM BoneHead777: mod of the subreddit
1:00:02 PM osswix: he's two chaira next to me, one next to bonehead.
1:00:05 PM fiftyfive: Bur_Sangjun on Reddit. osswix is next to him (I think)
1:00:12 PM osswix: chairs*
1:00:35 PM Gwaur: osswix: say hi to bonehead from me
1:00:38 PM DavidJPeterson: Oh, I guess I haven't met Sam yet. Didn't know the mod of /r/conlangs was here!
1:00:38 PM osswix: david look behind you, i will do the pointing.
1:00:41 PM BoneHead777: hi gwaur
1:00:47 PM Gwaur: hi sascha
1:00:54 PM DavidJPeterson: Okay, so now what is LLADI?
1:01:07 PM osswix: duolinguo, but open
1:01:12 PM fiftyfive: Here's an example of a course: http://i.imgur.com/rFIoSxK.png
1:01:20 PM osswix: so people can make their own courses.
1:01:22 PM Gwaur: anyone can install lladi on their own website and make a course of their own lang
1:01:22 PM fiftyfive: (Language Learning Application Development Interface)
1:01:44 PM DavidJPeterson: That's cool! I didn't know about it. Can't one do that for Duolingo now, though?
1:02:19 PM BoneHead777: this is the lladi developer borrowing Saschas phone from from the back of the room
1:02:25 PM fiftyfive: Yes, but LLADI is specialized for conlangs
1:02:29 PM fiftyfive: oh hey Bur
1:02:37 PM DavidJPeterson: Oh, Questions from IRC?
1:03:01 PM BoneHead777: on duolingo,  you cant make a course for any language
1:03:12 PM DavidJPeterson: I thought you could now. That's too bad.
1:03:28 PM BoneHead777: whereas LLADI allows anyone to make a language course
1:03:48 PM BoneHead777: you can apply to work on one of the courses they have available
1:03:54 PM fiftyfive: http://giant.gfycat.com/OrnateAfraidAtlanticsharpnosepuffer.webm
1:04:04 PM BoneHead777: but not really submit your own
1:04:12 PM DavidJPeterson: AH.
1:04:15 PM DavidJPeterson: *Ah.
1:04:24 PM BoneHead777: and if you do submit your own they have to approve it
1:04:35 PM fiftyfive: Similar to GitHub, almost
1:04:51 PM DavidJPeterson: That's too bad. They should just open it up. Will check out LLADI, though.
1:05:18 PM BoneHead777: and I suspect unless your name was David Peterson and your language called something like dothraki I suspect they would turn down conlangs
1:05:50 PM BoneHead777: Im at the LCC in a black coat with a navz backpack if you want to talk at some point
1:06:06 PM BoneHead777: *navz,  damn qwertz keyboard
1:06:16 PM fiftyfive: *navy
1:06:17 PM BoneHead777: *navy
1:06:19 PM fiftyfive: you're welcome
1:06:20 PM osswix: klingon and esperant exluded* bur
1:07:46 PM IJzeren_Jan: Main hoon na!
1:08:05 PM BoneHead777: again,  huge name langzages,  not smaller communit ones that still have learner interest like Vahn and Tardalli
1:08:07 PM osswix: hai ironman.
1:08:42 PM IJzeren_Jan: Hai, hai.
1:08:48 PM fiftyfive: DavidJPeterson, how does iljena deal with abstract concepts like 'it' and 'they'? Are they also verbs?
1:08:59 PM osswix: you done dogwalked?
1:09:07 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: 1260, rather
1:09:13 PM Zhalio: He did have a 3C root for 3rd-person pronoun
1:09:16 PM IJzeren_Jan: Yes, I walk doggeted.
1:09:26 PM fiftyfive: Ah, right.
1:09:28 PM pne: There was a noun shape that meant "3sg"
1:09:45 PM fiftyfive: Seem to have missed that one
1:10:47 PM Zhalio: Zombies and ghosts, then
1:12:50 PM fiftyfive: Thanks!
1:12:53 PM kaleissin: *scrolls about* I seem to be the only one with my ircnick on my badge, hmm
1:13:06 PM DavidJPeterson: DavidJPeterson disagrees
1:13:11 PM Zhalio: There's fenhl as well
1:13:22 PM eugenelcc6: Is Casidhe here today? Her seSuntratā is also serial verby
1:13:37 PM IJzeren_Jan: You guys are present there?
1:13:47 PM DavidJPeterson: Yep!
1:13:51 PM kaleissin: yep
1:13:56 PM eugenelcc6: Me too
1:13:59 PM osswix: yo
1:14:03 PM Fenhl: me too
1:14:11 PM IJzeren_Jan: Me envies youet.
1:14:17 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: yup
1:14:20 PM fiftyfive: I'm on the other side of the world
1:14:24 PM DavidJPeterson: Doggets all of us!
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1:14:41 PM SaschaMBaer: I disagree too, now
1:14:45 PM DavidJPeterson: lol
1:15:10 PM SaschaMBaer: except I lost my badge
1:15:33 PM osswix: i have my real name on it.
1:15:53 PM fiftyfive: Is your first name Willem, osswix? Sounds Dutch
1:16:04 PM IJzeren_Jan: You're Dutch?
1:16:38 PM osswix: not willem... how you that close though?
1:16:44 PM Fenhl: > real name
1:16:51 PM kaleissin: hence I can't tell what you look like, which might have been your devious plan all along I guess
1:16:55 PM osswix: ik ben nederlands jan.
1:17:06 PM osswix: It should be Wilco Jacobs.
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1:17:13 PM IJzeren_Jan: Waar woon je?
1:17:23 PM osswix: iets boven denbosch.
1:17:36 PM IJzeren_Jan: Toch niet in Oss, toevallig? 
1:18:05 PM osswix: nee, over de maas, t'  heet ammerzoden.
1:18:26 PM fiftyfive: Your picture on the live feed has your badge. Ik spreek geen Nederlands. het spijt mij
1:18:27 PM IJzeren_Jan: De heerlijkheid Ammerzoden, klopt dat? Vlak bij Zaltbommel?
1:18:47 PM osswix: jep, zit op het cambium (das in zaltbommel)
1:18:54 PM IJzeren_Jan: Dat is waar mijn familie oorspronkelijk vandaan komt.
1:19:08 PM DavidJPeterson: Sai is now starting his talk. Got a couple links for you.
1:19:10 PM fiftyfive: hehe. oorspronkelijik
1:19:13 PM IJzeren_Jan: Nu woon ik in IJmuiden (Jajoujście, Eggmouth).
1:19:16 PM DavidJPeterson: Here's his slides: http://conlang.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/LCC6_Sai.pdf
1:19:17 PM SaschaMBaer: okay, this 'll be intresting
1:19:33 PM DavidJPeterson: And this is the legal memo he's going to be referring to: http://conlang.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/Dentons-Conlang-Memo-public-version.pdf
1:19:56 PM osswix: ijzere, woont er nog familie in anmerooi? anders mag je es langskomen.
1:20:03 PM kmein: Why 'not a lawyer *yet*'?
1:20:11 PM fiftyfive: send help, osswix has gone mad
1:20:15 PM IJzeren_Jan: Nee, al tweehonderd jaar niet meer, vrees ik.
1:20:20 PM DavidJPeterson: He's thinking about going to law school. May be applying soon.
1:21:12 PM DavidJPeterson: Big difference between US and everyone else's law: The US doesn't recognize moral rights. Most of the rest of the world does.
1:23:04 PM Zhalio: What does that mean?
1:23:15 PM DavidJPeterson: What Sai said or what I did?
1:23:34 PM DavidJPeterson: These are moral rights for background info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights
1:24:31 PM eugenelcc6: What I interpret that to mean is, I. The
1:24:35 PM eugenelcc6: Argh
1:24:50 PM Zhalio: Thanks
1:25:13 PM eugenelcc6: In the US if you sell your work you can't prevent people from dismembering your work or erasing attribution to you?
1:25:33 PM DavidJPeterson: No, you can, if you own it.
1:25:33 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: eugenelcc6: is this a question for the end of the talk?
1:25:40 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: (oh)
1:25:55 PM DavidJPeterson: The issue comes up when you do things as work for hire, where everything you do is owned by whoever owns the contract.
1:26:03 PM DavidJPeterson: You can't do that in places that recognize moral rights.
1:26:12 PM DavidJPeterson: The creator always has those rights.
1:26:24 PM DavidJPeterson: Not in the US. In the US corporations can own everything. 
1:26:40 PM DavidJPeterson: (Caveat: That's my understanding of it. May not be 100% accurate.)
1:27:03 PM eugenelcc6: That explains why my (American) employer doesn't let me put my name on stuff... Maybe
1:27:09 PM fiftyfive: In the USA there's company healthcare, too. What's the point of all this corporatization? It confuses me
1:27:09 PM eugenelcc6: Thanks!
1:28:02 PM osswix: 55, i guess super capitalism.
1:28:23 PM fiftyfive: Huh. Weird.
1:30:54 PM fiftyfive: It would be good if we had a prefabricated 'conlang' licence (like how they have the MIT licence), one that specifically deals with fair use, derivatives etc.
1:31:22 PM Fenhl: ^
1:32:01 PM Tsela: That only works if conlangs fall under copyright. Otherwise your licence has absolutely no value.
1:32:47 PM IJzeren_Jan: What's OED?
1:32:58 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: Oxford English Dictionary
1:33:03 PM IJzeren_Jan: Thanx
1:33:11 PM fiftyfive: Wouldn't they automatically have copyright (Berne Convention)?
1:33:46 PM Tsela: No, because they are not a fixed work. That's what Sai is discussing right now.
1:33:56 PM DavidJPeterson: Right.
1:34:11 PM fiftyfive: Ah, I see.
1:34:15 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: Each fixed form would; but if I wrote my own grammar of your conlang I'd have copyright on mine
1:34:38 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: (to attempt to summarise)
1:34:49 PM fiftyfive: Yep. Thanks!\
1:34:54 PM miekko: it is kind of interesting that you can hold the patents of an algorithm but not copyright on a language
1:35:14 PM eugenelcc6: Algorithms are fixed form though
1:35:23 PM miekko: eugenelcc6: well yes and no
1:35:34 PM miekko: eugenelcc6: i'd say language could be compared to a data structure that the algorithm uses
1:35:42 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: yeah, they distinguish _algoirhtms_ from _code
1:35:50 PM miekko: and the algorithm is the grammar that turns a thought into that data strcture
1:35:53 PM Tsela: We'll come to patents later
1:36:36 PM miekko: if you were using a patented form of peculiar database, you'd be violating the patents of the algorithms that generate and handle that database
1:36:51 PM miekko: and in a sense I'd say you're doing that when you are using the language
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1:37:14 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: ah, Sai's come to this just now
1:37:21 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: alrogithms vs. "methods"
1:37:24 PM DavidJPeterson: miekko: Said just said you can't patent an algorithm. Do you have a counterexample?
1:37:43 PM DavidJPeterson: *Sai just said
1:38:43 PM miekko: US 5579430
1:38:48 PM miekko: US 5627938
1:38:53 PM miekko: US 5341457
1:38:59 PM miekko: US 4558302
1:39:24 PM miekko: US 4405829
1:39:47 PM miekko: US 6384822
1:39:57 PM DavidJPeterson: Thanks for those! FYI this chat transcript will eventually go up on the site somewhere, but I wanted to get the specific ones down so Sai could look at them later if he's interested.
1:39:59 PM miekko: so ... I don't know what the fuck he is on about
1:40:10 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: you should frame this as a question, miekko
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1:40:22 PM fiftyfive: ^
1:40:23 PM miekko: ok, "what the fuck is he on about"
1:40:24 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: for the speaker
1:40:36 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: I don't remember the details but hairs are split about what a "method" is
1:40:46 PM miekko: clearly
1:41:13 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: like, arithmetic coding was patented.  it's not an algorithm, as such; it's a class of algorithms?  it's a specification of the pre- and post-conditions on a hypothetical algorithm?
1:42:10 PM Zhalio: Legalese depresses me.
1:43:13 PM miekko: I don't think there's a reasonable distinction between algorithm and class of algorithm
1:43:26 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: "sorting algorithm" vs. "quicksort"?  no?
1:43:49 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: not that I'm saying that's what the law does, I don't really have a clue, but it's the sort of line one could draw
1:43:58 PM Tsela: lawyers disagree, and that's why the us have that mess
1:44:00 PM miekko: arithmetic coding is even worse then
1:44:04 PM miekko: because if you can patent that
1:44:16 PM miekko: you've really gone and patented a billion algorithms
1:44:32 PM miekko: but like
1:44:43 PM miekko: lots of 'algorithm classes' can be merged into 'an algorithm with parameters'
1:44:45 PM fiftyfive: miekko, if you want to ask you can
1:44:52 PM miekko: I don't think I want to
1:44:59 PM miekko: I just participate in an irc chatroom
1:45:08 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: fiftyfive, you could ask 
1:45:20 PM fiftyfive: How should I phrase it?
1:45:56 PM DavidJPeterson: I got it.
1:45:59 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: ok
1:46:01 PM fiftyfive: Thanks/
1:46:05 PM fiftyfive: *.
1:46:28 PM IJzeren_Jan: Question: how do all these things work internationally. Suppose I'd publish a conlang named "Dothrako" full of elements from David's Dothraki - here in the Netherlands. What can HBO do against me in that case?
1:46:43 PM Zhalio: Dothraki-based auxlang?
1:46:46 PM DavidJPeterson: Good question.
1:47:14 PM osswix: dortrakkie* ijzere man.
1:47:22 PM IJzeren_Jan: Michael Everson! 
1:48:46 PM Gwaur: ドズラ子
1:49:01 PM osswix: dozurako?
1:49:33 PM Zhalio: Dóþrækki
1:49:54 PM osswix: dorp trakkie ?
1:50:13 PM SaschaMBaer: Toslaki
1:50:20 PM kmein: Δοθράκει
1:50:28 PM Zhalio: Totschlagie?
1:50:45 PM Gwaur: miEkko
1:50:55 PM Zhalio: [mi.'ek.ko]?
1:50:59 PM kmein: ikarhtoD
1:51:10 PM IJzeren_Jan: 
1:51:18 PM Gwaur: I'd go like ['miek.ko]
1:51:21 PM Zhalio: If it's Finnish, I guess it would have to be ['mi.ek.ko]?
1:51:37 PM Gwaur: ie is a diphthong
1:51:41 PM Zhalio: Ah
1:51:50 PM IJzeren_Jan: Доћраки.
1:51:56 PM osswix: i think the dutch spelling of how my friend pronounces it is best. Dortrakkie
1:52:19 PM Gwaur: doaiŧrahkki
1:52:23 PM miekko: gwaur?
1:52:30 PM Zhalio: Dovothracium
1:52:30 PM miekko: I just came from Helsinki, btw
1:52:36 PM miekko: I hate driving in that city
1:52:53 PM Gwaur: the guy on the stream said "here's a question from IRC from a user named [mi.'ek.ko]"
1:53:00 PM fiftyfive: It looks nice, actually. I want to go oneday
1:53:01 PM pne: Dovothracium FTW
1:53:05 PM fiftyfive: *to Helsinki
1:53:06 PM miekko: urgh
1:53:21 PM fiftyfive: urgh?
1:53:24 PM osswix: gwaur, david asked it.
1:53:39 PM IJzeren_Jan: Ďǫṱŕåķî
1:53:40 PM Gwaur: sorry, I don't know these people (yet?) 
1:53:41 PM miekko: I am pretty sure my question was not all that well formed in the first place
1:54:08 PM miekko: first of all, I just was pointing at how there's a weird mismatch there between the notion of fixed form and so on
1:54:13 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: well, he said that algorithms are discussed in this regard in the Denton's memo a little, so you could look there, miekko
1:54:48 PM kmein: 덭라키
1:55:24 PM osswix: 돌틀랔킿。
1:55:26 PM SaschaMBaer: Дoθрaκы
1:55:55 PM osswix: 덡랔키。
1:56:16 PM Gwaur: кафан ханацу оссшикс
1:56:20 PM IJzeren_Jan: Haha, no offense taken. 
1:56:25 PM Gwaur: оссвикс*
1:58:06 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: (ah, I was wrong in scope.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_coding#US_patents )
1:58:13 PM IJzeren_Jan: One more question: what if I'd like to make a Dothraki-Dutch dictionary?
1:59:10 PM Gwaur: how'bout a dothraki-natlang translator
1:59:35 PM osswix: my friends 'd buy, i got like 20 hooked to got and dorthraki.
1:59:39 PM fiftyfive: "It depends"
2:00:44 PM eugenelcc6: Jan: That would be a new creative work so you're not in violation I'd presume? Esp since languages themselves can't be copyrighted
2:01:48 PM osswix: cool
2:01:49 PM DavidJPeterson: Jan: I see your question. I'll wait for some people here to ask questions first, though (didn't want to hog the space!).
2:01:58 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: I wonder if a Dothraki-Dutch dictionary might could count as a translation of the Dothraki-English dictionary.  there must be case law regarding translations
2:02:08 PM osswix: david, i could ask for ja .
2:02:12 PM DavidJPeterson: Cool!
2:08:34 PM osswix: there we go, ijzere man.
2:08:54 PM Zhalio: Somebody would be stuffed in the back of an unmarked fulapuk and doggeted.
2:08:56 PM IJzeren_Jan: Haha.
2:10:10 PM IJzeren_Jan: Pan-Slavicize the world in Ithkuil? Well now, that's interesting! 
2:10:14 PM kmein: lol
2:10:25 PM osswix: so many different laws...
2:11:07 PM IJzeren_Jan: Wheee!
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2:11:43 PM DavidJPeterson: Haha, now I have the computer! -Erin
2:12:00 PM fiftyfive: what's happening?
2:12:00 PM IJzeren_Jan: Erin, you there? Hi!
2:12:21 PM DavidJPeterson: Hi all, we're about to get an LCS history lesson!
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2:13:10 PM IJzeren_Jan: What's happening on stage there?
2:13:16 PM Zhalio: No sound?
2:13:28 PM osswix: no technician now...
2:13:37 PM DavidJPeterson: Sai has called down the original members of the LCS/LCC I believe
2:14:11 PM DavidJPeterson: He's giving us a brief history of the evolution of the first LCC
2:14:36 PM osswix: who's got david's laptop?
2:14:45 PM DavidJPeterson: I do! -Erin
2:14:46 PM IJzeren_Jan: His wife Erin.
2:15:02 PM IJzeren_Jan: Who's on stage?
2:15:08 PM DavidJPeterson: Now I have the power!
2:15:54 PM DavidJPeterson: Sylvia, Alex, Tony, John, Sai, Arnt, Henrik, David, Kristoff, 
2:16:04 PM DavidJPeterson: and someone who isn't wearing a name tag
2:16:15 PM eugenelcc6: And. That's his name 
2:16:35 PM DavidJPeterson: Thanks!
2:16:40 PM PogostickMan: When's the relay results supposed to be on?
2:16:43 PM PogostickMan: After the break?
2:16:49 PM fiftyfive: yep
2:16:52 PM fiftyfive: I think
2:16:57 PM eugenelcc6: "... David, Christophe and And" - I love putting And last in a list because you get to say "and And"
2:17:08 PM DavidJPeterson: So Sai is giving the history of the founding/incorporation of the LCS
2:17:28 PM DavidJPeterson: A rund of applause for Sylvia!
2:17:33 PM DavidJPeterson: er, round!
2:17:51 PM DavidJPeterson: As the backbone/engine of the LCS!
2:17:53 PM fiftyfive: *claps*
2:18:04 PM osswix: *clapped.*
2:18:09 PM Zhalio: Tolo dan nan galad!
2:18:12 PM DavidJPeterson: And yes the relay results will be after the break!
2:19:03 PM DavidJPeterson: WE're going to try to get you guys some sound here =)
2:19:29 PM IJzeren_Jan: Sound is fine, but I'd like to see what's going on there.
2:19:38 PM fiftyfive: I have sound, too.
2:19:50 PM DavidJPeterson: oh, is there no video?
2:19:59 PM Zhalio: History lesson
2:20:08 PM fiftyfive: Nope. Just the slide
2:20:30 PM DavidJPeterson: Ok, we'll see what we can do!
2:21:09 PM fiftyfive: * claps
2:21:55 PM IJzeren_Jan: Ah, finally we've image!
2:21:58 PM DavidJPeterson: Better? Can you see the stage?
2:22:10 PM fiftyfive: Yep!
2:22:11 PM DavidJPeterson: Hooray!
2:22:20 PM Gwaur: "conlanging is not a traditional job!111"
2:24:05 PM eugenelcc6: It was also a very professionally done application process (Dothraki) for having been done by just Sai alone
2:25:10 PM DavidJPeterson: Yeah, it turned out to have been a lot of work for the participants, but coming from nothing it was a much better system than it could have been…
2:25:45 PM DavidJPeterson: And it was great to make sure that it was truly a blind judging process!
2:27:20 PM IJzeren_Jan: Yeah, that was brilliant.
2:28:00 PM osswix: i feel really new to conlanging ˆˆ
2:28:09 PM fiftyfive: so do I haha
2:28:19 PM SaschaMBaer: I think many here do
2:28:32 PM DavidJPeterson: Well that's good! Any field needs new blood to keep the oldsters from growing stale!
2:28:53 PM DavidJPeterson: And then you become oldsters in your turn and need new blood to keep you on your toes!
2:29:05 PM SaschaMBaer: that david ain't david!
2:29:05 PM Zhalio: And I feel like I let it slide at the most inopportune moment back then...
2:29:38 PM DavidJPeterson: No I've hijacked his feed -Erin <—his wife
2:29:58 PM SaschaMBaer: I know  (can see you from back here)
2:30:20 PM DavidJPeterson: Bwhahahaha
2:30:29 PM IJzeren_Jan: Hope to meet you in person next time, Erin.\
2:30:49 PM fiftyfive: Question: how does the LCS get funding?
2:31:06 PM DavidJPeterson: Absolutely, if it's somewhere I"m willing to travel to! I've only missed one LCC so far!
2:31:19 PM DavidJPeterson: Dues from it's memebers and donations
2:31:25 PM DavidJPeterson: Er, members
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2:31:36 PM IJzeren_Jan: Yeah, and that's was the only one where I was present. 
2:31:37 PM fiftyfive: Ah, right. Thanks!
2:31:50 PM fiftyfive: Great talk.
2:31:56 PM DavidJPeterson: Unfortunately I couldn't afford that airfare!
2:32:16 PM IJzeren_Jan: But now you have a rich husband! 
2:32:26 PM DavidJPeterson: Ha
2:32:42 PM DavidJPeterson: He was rich, then we decided to buy a house and now we're poor again!
2:32:53 PM DavidJPeterson: Or at least he was "rich" =P
2:33:15 PM IJzeren_Jan: Well, sell the Rolls then and buy a simple Mercedes instead. 
2:33:24 PM DavidJPeterson: No the difference was we found Norwegian airlines has ridiculously cheap airfare to Britain!
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2:33:55 PM DavidJPeterson: Lol, my car is a 98 Honda, I don't think language creation pays what you think it pays!
2:34:19 PM IJzeren_Jan: Tell me about it! All I've ever made with conlanging is perhaps € 500.
2:34:54 PM IJzeren_Jan: Not even that, now that I think of it.
2:34:55 PM DavidJPeterson: Hey making any money on Conlanging puts you way ahead of the herd!
2:34:59 PM Gwaur: all I've made with conlanging is friends 
2:35:08 PM DavidJPeterson: Ahhhhhhh
2:35:16 PM DavidJPeterson: The greatest riches of all!
2:35:27 PM IJzeren_Jan: Amen to that!
2:35:29 PM Gwaur: they don't pay for rent though : pp
2:36:01 PM DavidJPeterson: Ok, gonna run and get a drink during the break! David will be back with your regularly scheduled programing!
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2:36:11 PM IJzeren_Jan: Cheers!
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2:58:07 PM DavidJPeterson: Back.
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2:58:15 PM Gwaur: ieaun, are you the ieaun I know?
2:58:26 PM ieaun: IIndeed
2:58:26 PM DavidJPeterson: Going to have to step off for a bit, though, as I'm in the relay.
2:58:28 PM pne: Relay now
2:58:34 PM ieaun: Ya gwaur
2:58:49 PM pne: Erin can take over again 
2:59:03 PM DavidJPeterson: Yeah, she'll do that.
2:59:06 PM DavidJPeterson: 
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2:59:32 PM ieaun: I wonder if we'll see Vahn in the next relay
3:00:12 PM ieaun: Or Viossa
3:00:26 PM Zhalio: Does anyone know how much a cab is from here to Gatwick?
3:00:28 PM ieaun: A group translation could be interesting
3:00:43 PM ieaun: -Zhalio, I could check now
3:00:45 PM DavidJPeterson: Zhalio: Not sure, but the train goes straight to the airport. Very convenient!
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3:01:14 PM Zhalio: Yeah, but it's a timing issue
3:01:16 PM pne: And it's just a few stops on the train and it stops right at the airport
3:01:21 PM Zhalio: My flight's at 18:15
3:01:40 PM Zhalio: Ticket says the gate closes at 17:45
3:01:44 PM pne: Trains at 1701 and 1744 IIRC
3:01:58 PM IJzeren_Jan: Ich glaube wir haben noch immer die Lebensstrom, oder?
3:02:01 PM Zhalio: How long are the queues?
3:02:21 PM Zhalio: Was heißt das, Jan?
3:02:37 PM DavidJPeterson: No queues, that I know of.
3:02:38 PM Gwaur: ieaun: we'll definitely see viossa on SOME relay after next christmas
3:02:43 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: DavidJPeterson: apparent slides trouble.  alert Sai
3:02:56 PM IJzeren_Jan: Ich sollte geschieben haben: der Lebensstrom natürlich.
3:03:09 PM IJzeren_Jan: Lebensstrom = Live stream 
3:03:12 PM Zhalio: Gah
3:03:26 PM Zhalio: "Die Live-Übertragung"
3:03:35 PM ieaun: Zhalio
3:03:52 PM IJzeren_Jan: Calques are my lust and my life!
3:03:57 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: cool.
3:04:04 PM ieaun: Horsham > Gatwick, 5:01 > 5:22, £5.60
3:04:21 PM IJzeren_Jan: BTW Zhalio, until you mentioned Oro Mpaa I had no idea it was you. I'd rather have expected you as "Cinga" or something.
3:04:23 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: for those following along at home: http://conlang.org/language-creation-conference/lcc6/lcc6-relay/
3:04:49 PM ieaun: Gwaur, I'll have to get practising 
3:05:07 PM Zhalio: Awesome vowels
3:05:25 PM Zhalio: Jan: Zhalio is my Dothraki name. 
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3:06:12 PM IJzeren_Jan: Oh dear, that makes me curious what would be my Dothraki name!
3:06:25 PM IJzeren_Jan: "Khal Nayak", I'd suppose! 
3:07:02 PM DavidJPeterson: This is whom I followed. Can't wait to see what his text was supposed to mean.
3:08:22 PM IJzeren_Jan: Wow, quite something, that relay text!
3:08:35 PM IJzeren_Jan: That's just begging for creation myths! 
3:09:25 PM Zhalio: No literal translation of things that don't make sense! I thought we had a rule for that.
3:10:32 PM ieaun: I think someone trying to decipher a Vahn relay could get interesting...
3:10:45 PM DavidJPeterson: Dave's up next so his computer is mine again! -Erin
3:11:19 PM IJzeren_Jan: My first relay text I translated from was in Ebisedian. After that, you're up to anything! 
3:12:30 PM DavidJPeterson: And now you get to hear Dave speak in his "Khal of Kahls" voice
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3:13:15 PM ieaun: Not quite a Drogo is he... 
3:14:10 PM DavidJPeterson: Dave likes to "make his own sentences"
3:14:18 PM Gwaur: two geminates in one word? wow that's so hard I mean wow like
3:14:36 PM DavidJPeterson: qemmemmo
3:14:49 PM DavidJPeterson: ugh, and this is why I don't speak Dothraki
3:15:59 PM DavidJPeterson: lol
3:16:10 PM DavidJPeterson: I'm back.
3:16:25 PM IJzeren_Jan: Oh dear, hadn't noticed it had already started.
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3:24:31 PM Zhalio: Sounds african
3:27:33 PM ieaun: "African" is pretty broad
3:27:48 PM DavidJPeterson: Leggbo?
3:27:55 PM IJzeren_Jan: Hey Christophe (Tsela), did you get my sound files?
3:29:35 PM fiftyfive: Going to go, everyone, hope the rest is good!
3:29:42 PM ieaun: Bye!
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3:29:46 PM DavidJPeterson: Nice to have you on IRC!
3:29:50 PM IJzeren_Jan: Here we go!
3:29:52 PM eugenelcc6: Bye 55!
3:29:58 PM fiftyfive: Thanks! Nice to meet you all!
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3:30:17 PM eugenelcc6: Jan what is the Interslavic endonym?
3:30:24 PM IJzeren_Jan: Medžuslovjanski.
3:30:41 PM eugenelcc6: Ah I should have known 
3:30:49 PM Zhalio: Do you have an MP3...?
3:31:01 PM eugenelcc6: Load it here!
3:31:07 PM IJzeren_Jan: I'm afraid I don't know how to make MP3.
3:31:15 PM IJzeren_Jan: Not on this computer at least.
3:31:22 PM IJzeren_Jan: Would it help if I upload it to my website?
3:31:24 PM DavidJPeterson: Type "convert windows media file to mp3" into Google.
3:31:37 PM DavidJPeterson: But I think Sai is taking care of it. 
3:31:48 PM DavidJPeterson: We got it.
3:32:24 PM Zhalio: Hello Jan!
3:32:30 PM IJzeren_Jan: Hi Christian!
3:32:41 PM IJzeren_Jan: Does it work? I'm busy converting.
3:32:45 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: it works!
3:32:47 PM DavidJPeterson: Yes, it's fine!
3:32:49 PM Zhalio: Yeah, you just greeted us
3:32:52 PM SaschaMBaer: we're hearing it right nos
3:32:52 PM IJzeren_Jan: Ah, great!
3:32:52 PM eugenelcc6: It worked! We're listening to you
3:32:52 PM DavidJPeterson: We're going right now.
3:32:56 PM SaschaMBaer: * now
3:34:22 PM DavidJPeterson: Nice reading IJzeren_Jan!
3:34:25 PM Zhalio: It is soundink wery Russian!
3:34:41 PM IJzeren_Jan: Thank you! 
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3:35:06 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: Jan, any comments?
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3:35:07 PM DavidJPeterson: Any comment IJzeren_Jan?
3:35:11 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: for Christophe to read aloud?
3:35:45 PM IJzeren_Jan: Oh dear, I was having a problem with the "plain" and the "palce markers"\
3:35:47 PM Zhalio: We're waiting...
3:36:05 PM IJzeren_Jan: Didn't quite make sense to me. But I hope I managed to turn it into something remotely possible.
3:36:18 PM Zhalio: The plain is my fault. 
3:36:18 PM jonah: My mother-tongue is Russian and I understood almost everything with no effort.
3:36:31 PM Zhalio: Nice!
3:36:38 PM IJzeren_Jan: That's how I understood the Old Greedian text anyway.
3:36:55 PM IJzeren_Jan: Loved doing it!
3:38:07 PM Zhalio: I like the juxtaposition of Ree and Rɛɛ
3:38:23 PM Zhalio: Vowel harmony?
3:38:44 PM Fenhl: I believe ree means language
3:38:54 PM DavidJPeterson: I wouldn't think it does have vowel harmony.
3:39:19 PM Fenhl: and rɛɛ kıbyaa is the region? iirc
3:39:25 PM DavidJPeterson: If there is vowel harmony, I can't identify the perameters.
3:40:03 PM Zhalio: Yeah, I might just have gotten the impression from the presence of dotless-i
3:40:20 PM Fenhl: oh no it's a demonym http://akana.conlang.org/wiki/Ree_Rɛɛ_Kıbyaa
3:40:37 PM eugenelcc6: From insanity to RPG journeys
3:41:10 PM IJzeren_Jan: Compliment for Jan Strasser! I like what you did with the landmarks!
3:43:06 PM Zhalio: "Many inanimate nouns (and a few animate ones as well) form the plural through ablaut of the stressed vowel (abbreviated as ‘V’). The most commonly observed vowel alternations are short /i ɨ e/ shifting to ı u a and long /iː ɛː/ shifting to ee ıı: "
3:43:35 PM Zhalio: Ok, so there's no harmony but some systematic correspondence.
3:44:57 PM DavidJPeterson: Cool.
3:45:06 PM IJzeren_Jan: OMG, Ithkuil is really a tongue-breaker!
3:46:13 PM Zhalio: Heskhatruc'èlxhürtļ
3:46:22 PM Zhalio: I have to use that
3:48:16 PM Gwaur: anything in ithkuil is a tongue-twister
3:48:58 PM IJzeren_Jan: Indeed, remarkable transformation.
3:49:18 PM ieaun: Back
3:50:51 PM IJzeren_Jan: *claps*
3:54:34 PM Zhalio: I think there's a gyâ-zym-byn speaker in the audience.
3:54:42 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: who?
3:54:44 PM Zhalio: Philipp Newton?
3:54:53 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: pne: is this true?
3:54:56 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: oh, he's off
3:56:21 PM DavidJPeterson: I didn't think anyone but Jim Henry spoke gzb.
3:57:41 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: it was the subject of one of the learners' list experiments
3:57:43 PM Zhalio: Isn't that him with the tablet in the 3rd row?
3:57:48 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: I don't know how far eeryone got
3:58:22 PM DavidJPeterson: Man, Ring one got more and more positive and this Ring is a descent into darkness! -Erin <—stole the computer again!
3:59:01 PM Zhalio: There you go: Titles are evil.
3:59:59 PM DavidJPeterson: I dunno a never dying title doesn't seem any more evil than a zombie title!
4:00:14 PM DavidJPeterson: Vampire Title vs Zombie Title!
4:01:21 PM DavidJPeterson: The only safe title is one which was never born!
4:01:36 PM Zhalio: Apparently it's keeping the hope out
4:02:17 PM DavidJPeterson: Titles=antidote to optimism
4:02:56 PM Zhalio: There's hope after all!
4:03:11 PM DavidJPeterson: Title merges with Body=Frankenstein Title?
4:03:45 PM IJzeren_Jan: This is also one law of relays: sooner or later, there are always DEMONS!
4:03:50 PM Zhalio: Wolf in sheep's clothing
4:04:18 PM DavidJPeterson: I'm back.
4:04:36 PM IJzeren_Jan: Any dangereous or unfriendly person sooner or later always becomes a demon.
4:05:00 PM DavidJPeterson: Wow. I just stepped out for a bit. Came back to this. lol
4:07:06 PM IJzeren_Jan: It's getting more and more psychedelic!
4:08:26 PM Zhalio: At least they're starting to distance themselves from the demons.
4:08:42 PM DavidJPeterson: Man, if I had seen this earlier, I would've opened my book with this quote: "Don’t try to secretly remember feeling the power that belongs to you, that stops me from feeling."
4:08:57 PM ieaun: What have I come back to
4:09:28 PM Zhalio: Jeez, make coherent sentences, people
4:09:38 PM Zhalio: Them's the rules
4:09:43 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: amen!
4:09:51 PM IJzeren_Jan: 
4:10:35 PM ieaun: This is getting a little scary
4:10:42 PM IJzeren_Jan: Yeah, rule no. 1: even it doesn't make sense to you, turn it into something that does make sensee!
4:11:36 PM ieaun: How long have you guys been into conlanging?
4:11:50 PM DavidJPeterson: 15 years.
4:12:08 PM eugenelcc6: Same
4:12:13 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: similar for me
4:12:19 PM ieaun: A fair bit longer than my 2 and a half then 
4:12:49 PM IJzeren_Jan: At least 20 years. Depends a bit what you call conlanging though.
4:13:03 PM IJzeren_Jan: Not counting sketches I made during my teens.
4:13:07 PM Zhalio: My Obrenje webpage started in 2001, apparently.
4:13:16 PM ieaun: I've not evemn been alive for 20 years, wow
4:13:41 PM ieaun: If you don't count teen sketches then about 8 months 
4:13:45 PM miekko: 16-17 years, I guess, is how long I've been doing it
4:13:59 PM kaleissin: First version of Taruven went online in '96 or '97 iirc
4:14:37 PM Zhalio: Well, I think I'd better get going
4:14:51 PM Zhalio: Have to pick up by bag and buy a ticket and stuff
4:14:52 PM ieaun: Bye!
4:14:56 PM IJzeren_Jan: Bon voyage, Christian!
4:15:00 PM Zhalio: It's been fun — see you all!
4:15:06 PM IJzeren_Jan: Bye!
4:15:09 PM kaleissin: seeya!
4:15:23 PM Zhalio: Oud dindrade bein!
4:15:24 PM IJzeren_Jan: *claps*
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4:15:44 PM IJzeren_Jan: Ščęstlivoj pųti!
4:18:25 PM DavidJPeterson: Going to sign off here. Nice chatting to everyone all weekend!
4:18:33 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: it's been fun!
4:18:39 PM LCC6_Broadcaster: signing off the yt stream now
4:18:51 PM DavidJPeterson: Bye bye! ~